EWS #123 Questions on Healing & Ageing + general Q&A
Aug 06, 2022
Alina (0:00:33):
Namaste. Welcome back to our continuing series, Evenings with Sraddhalu.
Namaste, Sraddhalu.
[Sraddhalu] Namaste. Happy to be with all of you.
We are happy to continue our series. Today is part 123 and we have a very interesting topic on healing and ageing. So we are inviting you to freely address questions on our YouTube chat box. I will take up a few questions that we received from our viewers.
A first question from Nina, “From the story of Suresh Hindocha, it seems that the Mother did not want us to be healers. That disturbed me a little, or rather made me wonder why, what should I do, because I was discovered as a healer just by chance or by grace of a friend who was in severe pain. When I was placing my hands on his back, just out of compassion, he felt immediate relief and he said, you have healing hands, try massage business and you will get a job in any corner of the world. I tried and his prophecy became true; I became more than a massage therapist, an integral therapist and a healer. But now I wonder if it's wrong to continue this job. Other jobs I did in the past did not match my swabhava. Swabhava, if I pronounce correctly.
Sraddhalu (0:02:20):
Yes. So the incident I narrated last time from the description of Suresh Hindocha and his meeting with the Mother, where she asked him to place his hands palm up. She placed her hands, her palms over his and immediately the heat was activated and then she said, “Yes, you have the healing power”. And then she asked, “Do you want to use it?” and he said, “No” and then she said “Wise choice”.
That was very specific to him. His frame, body, turn of mind, etc. were not really suited for taking that on as a full-time primary work. Because to be an effective healer, not only you should have the capacity to direct the but also you must have a biology which is strong enough for sustaining a large quantity of vitality but also dealing with the backwash that comes from the interaction, from the interchange that is always implied in any healing. Healing is never a one-way pouring of energy. There is always a two-way exchange in any opening of any communication. And so yes, it was not for him but it does not mean it is not for everyone. There are people who are naturally built for that or in whose temperament that is perhaps the natural form of the work and as far as Nina's question is concerned since she feels it aligns with her swabhava, her temperament, then it is probably the right thing for her. We should not generalise from one example that was narrated. Always the reference will be, does it align with your deeper aspiration? Does it align with your overall turn of your nature? And if these two are aligned, then the direction in which you are developing your capacities is fine.
We can go to the next question.
Alina (0:04:35):
MS is writing, “Sraddhalu-ji, I have a question regarding healing organisations. There is a very famous one, Christianity healing organisation in Punjab. Sir, I want to know that is what is the truth behind all their works and big mass followings. Do people really get cured and what is the nature of their working? Sir, please respond to this, I'm very curious to know about it.”
Sraddhalu (0:05:07):
Okay, I do not know which organisation this is referred to, very likely it is one of the public programs which is done by evangelists to attract people to their teachings by demonstrating miraculous healing. And supposedly the fact that there was a healing taking place is used to justify that this is spiritual and that this path is a superior path. This is the general sense of it and mostly you will find the people who perform these healings have a very strong charismatic vitality. They are often selected to be preachers for that purpose.
Sometimes the healing itself is a bit of a sham. There have been many exposes done in the United States by those who are sceptical of these healings and it was found that sometimes someone who was not too sick was made to appear more sick and then a healing which dramatically revives etc. But in more often than not such cases, there is a very strong vital energy transfer which gives the person a lift of vitality. Sometimes that may involve a complete healing, sometimes it is a partial or momentary healing. So someone who has difficulty walking finds themselves able to stand now suddenly, it may or may not last. But all of this is to say that a vital transmission can do certain interesting things. It does not mean necessarily that that group actually has that, but there are groups which do have that, there are individuals rather which do have that. And so there may be a truth to some kind of healing but as such it does not represent anything spiritual. And the same could be had by an effective healer who transmits vital force and can make miraculous results in their healing as Nina has also described earlier in her note, it does not need a spiritual opening or a spiritual basis. Certainly if a person had a strong vital capacity open to a higher spiritual help, then that healing could also be not only more radical but also more lasting.
And then finally it's possible that someone has a spiritual opening with little or no vitality involved a spiritual intervention purely acting could also produce certain kinds of healing. And we have also many cases of that which are typically described in one of the most dramatic cases unfortunately I do not remember the name but it's a very well celebrated case in medical history also there was a lady who had the terminal cancer she was she had barely a few days to live. She was literally getting treated every day and there were tests from the day before. That night she had a near-death experience in which she was out of the body. She was meeting some divine being presence in a higher state and then as if a choice was made that this life had to continue and she comes back and wakes up completely cured. Next morning they take her for the usual treatment and they had the measurements from the day before. They do all the x-rays and all the tumours have gone, the entire cancer has vanished literally overnight. And this is recorded medically, there is no way to question that.
So these are then labelled spontaneous remissions. Once you have labelled it, they say, okay, this is a phenomenon we don't understand, but one day we will explain it. Now it's packed away into a box and not to be explored any further because it shakes the very foundations of materialistic medical science. But yes, this can happen in principle to all of us. It does not happen for various reasons and I think we have discussed that another time but this is simply to say that there can be healing on many levels, biological, energetic which is the most common, sometimes a psychological intervention that removes a knot or resets certain alignments and then a spiritual. Ideally all levels could be used if there was such a capacity.
We can go to the next question.
Alina (0:09:40):
Kartikeya is writing, “Yoga is compressed evolution. For example, unwanted tendencies that are rooted in human nature are removed in a year by Grace, which would otherwise take, for instance, 25 years. So in this one year, along with the psychological experiences in the mind and vital, the body will also experience these 25 years. So does it get old soon, or does it experience many lives in this birth? I'm not sure if I have conveyed my question clearly or not.”
Sraddhalu (0:10:27)
I think the question is whether the accelerated evolution also involves accelerated ageing. I think that's the thing which is bothering Karthik.
No, in fact it's the reverse: the accelerated evolution is of the change that is taking place in consciousness. It may even reflect in a growth of consciousness in the biology, but its effect would be actually to make the biology younger. So we have to understand what exactly ageing is in this case. Ageing is when the biology continues to change. Well, over time there's a little change and we say that's all there is ageing. But there is another ageing, which is of the psychology.
If you look back at the journey of your life, for most of us we will be able to recognize that up to the age of 20, 21, maybe 25, sometimes even up to the age of 30, there was a reasonably rapid growth in the psychology, especially with the growth of biology till the age of 20 or so, we find our mind is changing, our hearts, our outlook to the world and so on. We are able to learn new things quickly, but somehow after a certain age that slows down. At some point we are unable to learn new things and at that point interestingly, the biology also begins to slow down and the ability of the body to renew itself also slows down.
Now you could say because the biology became less capable of renewal the psychology also became hardened or you could say the psychology hardening is represented or reflected in the biology hardening or maybe there is a two-way connection, each is influencing the other. So in fact when psychologically there is a radical growth, the biology also gets influenced and suddenly the body feels younger, more open, more plastic and so on. So in fact it is the reverse, when there is a radical change in consciousness, when certain unwanted tendencies which were preventing forward evolution have been removed, dissolved, the forward movement now can flow freely in growth of consciousness which reflects in the biology also by keeping it younger. So, body does not age, there is not acceleration of time, rather there is acceleration of the change itself that is what would have taken a struggle of so many years which would have had very serious consequences on the body because of the struggle itself is now done quickly and now the body can enjoy its youth.
So I think that should satisfy Karthik. We go to the next.
Alina (0:13:33):
We go to Trinetra's question: “As part of Yoga we are required to pull through all the age and drag and live for as long as we can. How can we do this Herculean work, task? The prevalent attitude in the common Indian mind, emotional state is to live well and simple and escape when the time comes (Our Western brothers and sisters however have an advantage in this angle as the pervading bhava in them is very pro-life, very materially attached and adventurous).
Sraddhalu (0:14:13):
So Trinetra's question of course would be a suitable description of an ascetic spirituality where obviously you are not allowed to shorten your lifespan. Every tradition will say that's not acceptable. Any kind of early exit is not acceptable. Even an accident is harmful. But in the more ascetic spiritual paths where the goal is still outside life, a spiritual realisation which leads to an outside the world state of consciousness, liberation is considered to be also liberation from the material life into some kind of a spiritual state beyond the physical world and so on. So there is the idea that don't do things which will bind you in the physical life so live simple, high thinking and then meanwhile you wait until as a result of your spiritual practices, purification, dissolution of karmas or whatever it is the system, you will eventually get free and then you won't have to come back.
It is in fact so fashionable even to talk like that. I find it sometimes quite disconcerting to hear it among people here, even in our ashram or people connected with the ashram, with Sri Aurobindo's teaching. I say connected, they have not read, they have not studied, they have not understood and they will say things like, when I finish my work I will leave, I'm not going to come back, this is my last life, I'm done with this and it is so petty, so silly, so immature, fashionable perhaps. When the reality is the soul yearns to take birth for the opportunity of growth, for the opportunity of evolution that is offered here and the soul yearns for it. And when we do go out, having done our rest, we look forward to the return in the best opportunities where we can have the kind of evolution, the experience and the growth that we seek truly.
And so to claim that you want to go away or that you should escape or wait and drag on your old age is perhaps acceptable in an ascetic tradition. It is not acceptable in the Integral Yoga. Rather in the Integral Yoga, the affirmation is to fully utilise every moment of the life given to you for your spiritual growth, not only in consciousness, but also in the transformation, in the raising of your nature, in the purification and divinization of your nature itself. The entire machinery of life, mind, emotions, life force, body, are given to you to be perfected and divinized. And so yes, you should wish to live long, but also in the long life, every day, every moment should be utilised for this.
So, if you do not have a spiritual purpose such as awakening of the consciousness and its transformation including the physical, you may still want to enjoy life in a way that you continue to grow. Enjoyment is a word which is unfortunately very mixed because for many people, enjoyment is a kind of a state of inertia. Sit back, relax and enjoy, which means you go into a state of passivity, of inertia. Perhaps relaxation is also one aspect of enjoyment, but equally the side of accomplishment, the side of overcoming limitations, learning new things, discovering new possibilities and so on. Discovery of the universe and discovery of yourself are the single most important interesting experiences one could ever have. And this, even if you do not have an ideal, transformation or a divinization of life, just this should be your goal. Even in a life in which there is no spirituality formally conceived of, the joy of discovery, the joy of growth, the joy of creating, manifesting something new is so fulfilling that alone should be at the very least your goal.
So the idea of simply waiting until everything is finished and then you kind of escape never to come back is a very crude passive insufficient ideal. So to Trinethra's observation that the Western brothers have an advantage with the prevailing bhava is pro-life, materialistically attached and adventurous, I would say that should be the case for everybody. Not necessarily attached in a materialistic reductionist way, but certainly engaged with the material life that lifts the quality of life to something higher. And there is a phrase from Latin which is greatly celebrated among those who consider themselves to be atheists. They will say, Carpe Diem, that means seize the day, seize the moment, seize the opportunity. And it's a state of consciousness where you are constantly vigilant. Any opportunity that comes, you seize to make something out of it for yourself or for some enjoyment or some benefit which is around your own need or desire.
The principle is extremely important even in spiritual life. Seize the occasion to make out of it something more beautiful. And so that state of vigilance to catch, to seize moments is something very important especially in the integral Yoga. And opportunities do come when we are too passive, we see ‘ah yes, that's an interesting opportunity’, and then it passes and it's ‘ah it's interesting the way it passed’, and that's a passivity which is not acceptable.
I will share an incident. I was at that time perhaps 12 years old. Television had pretty much just come into India in a big way, colour television and we were watching, I was watching some TV series, I think it was the series of Star Trek perhaps which was rerun and just after that the next program started where they said this is going to be a kind of a quiz program where we will describe a location somewhere in India and whoever gets there first will get a prize and as soon as it was announced, I was somewhat open at that time and I had the intuition this location will be in Pondicherry, it will be nearby and I will get the prize. And then they announced, they say since it is the first time that we are doing this, we will even give an exact address. And they announced an address which is Rue Capitaine something and then house number and said whoever gets there, gets the prize. I had just to get up and walk, barely five minutes and I would have got it. And I looked at that whole scene and I said, oh such a beautiful thing. I had the intuition and then it came true and so nice. Hmm, maybe I will go sometime later. And then I went on, I don't know, maybe I went for my afternoon nap and then I thought, okay, maybe I will go sometime. What's the address? I've almost forgotten the number of the house. Of course I did nothing, the inertia. And I heard a couple of next week they announced the prize had been given to somebody who was in the ashram at that time, some lady who had a very strong vital drive. This tendency of Carpe Diem seize the opportunity and of course she did.
And so I just shared this as an example of the ascetic tendency, which has this inertia where the opportunities come and pass. The whole life can pass by and you say, Oh, what did I do? I had so many opportunities. So, that's not acceptable. We should be awake, vigilant all through, till the last, and make the most of every opportunity that comes. Irrespective of whether we have whatever our goal, even a very limited spiritual or materialist goal, you would want to make the opportunity of each moment.
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I'll just take a moment to look at the questions which are in the chat box.
So, question from Lohith: “depending on the divine help for healing when doctors give up, how do we ensure that we are under an umbrella of active healing in daily life before things get worse?”
A lot depends on the state of consciousness in which you are. A state of constant healing would mean that every part in your consciousness would be open to some higher consciousness and its direct influence. Now this is not the case because something like 90% or more, 95, 99% of our nature, we are not conscious of. The little that we are conscious of like an iceberg tip, we can turn and there we can receive this help but even there, there are gradations within that we are not conscious of. So really the question would boil down to how to become conscious. Then when you are conscious and there is an action within your consciousness, you have to be plastic to the touch. And then the help could come and shape you, heal you, etc. And then it would be most effective when you give yourself to the help and there is a movement of self-giving and surrender which makes the most dramatic healing. Now this is just to give a background. We're going to deal with this question in a greater detail in the next part of the discussion.
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Okay, somebody has a question: “Many IV therapies doing the rounds.”,
From @NobodyNothing: “What is its place in terms of integral yoga? Does it go, since it goes in the blood, is it messing around in terms of consciousness? Would Sri Aurobindo and the mother approve?”
IV therapies, which inject directly into the bloodstream, various concentrated nutritional elements, can often have a quite a remarkable and dramatic effect. Very often when we eat, although the food has the nutrition, the body is unable to absorb and so the body is in severe malnutrition, although the food has everything required. And the IV drip can correct for it by directly inserting into the bloodstream. These can be extremely helpful and I don't see why there would be a problem with going in the blood directly and messing around in terms of consciousness. Purely from a safety perspective, it's always best to allow the body to absorb instead of bypassing the body and injecting directly in the blood. And so in the long run, one would want to have the body go through its selection. But if there's an urgency and there is a specific need that the body is unable to make up for, certainly the direct injection using IV would be absolutely not only essential, required at the very least it can be very helpful in certain situations to help the body get back a certain rhythm.
Now remember, the body is a creature of habit and it may have a habit of not absorbing enough nutrition. Let's say you have a B12 vitamin B12 deficiency very common among vegetarians. The body has a habit of not absorbing enough B12. It has got so used to being in a state of deficiency of B12 that it remembers or feels it as normal. For body, it's experience which is the reference. Unless it experiences what it's like to be healthy, it has forgotten what it's like to be healthy, it has got used to being unhealthy. So when an IV drip is given and the B12 levels are boosted up, suddenly it feels good, it says, oh this feels so nice. Now if there's a deeper psychological root of feeling miserable, a lot of people have that when they're trying to avoid some problem, they're trying to avoid some responsibility and they want to feel low to avoid it, then the body might quickly shift and push back to feel that low state but that's because of a different cause. But if the body does not have such a block and it says oh this feels so nice, it may recover the habit of absorbing the B12 from the food because now it remembers what it's like to be healthy and wants to be healthy.
So I would say simply as far as IV drips are concerned, taking Taking into account the risks of any direct injection, if one recognizes the need and the suitable balance, then it can be of a great help. But in the long run, it won't be a solution. It must lead to the body now learning how to develop or acquire the same capacity by directly absorbing the food eventually. Of course, it's a different case when a patient is unable to eat or has some very severe illness where IV is the only means and so I do not see any problem with that and it is part of the means given to us for intervention and I would even put genetic intervention into the same category. It is part of the knowledge given to us for suitable use.
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Okay, there are several questions. From @EGIDIJUS, “In one of the lectures you talked about healing at a distance. You said that in principle we can do that by asking the Mother. Can you elaborate?”
In case of healing at a distance, a healer may look at your picture as a photograph, can do a video call and look at you in a video image, can be given your name and address or sometimes just a name or sometimes none of these. Someone can say, my mother, my brother-in-law; now without giving a name, that's enough as a link to be able to in the mental world in the mental consciousness to make the link with the person and then you turn your, redirect your energy, concentration or the flow of energy to that person and there is a certain outcome. If this is the case where the link is made in a mental consciousness and then using that link vital energy is communicated for the healing result. Why not that we can receive this directly even from a source which is not in the physical body? So this is typically what happens in certain so-called sacred healing places. You go there, you bathe in the waters and there's a download of life energy of some kind which partially or wholly may heal you or you have an experience of vital or a spiritual kind both could give you healing where there's a direct action from above.
The most effective though would be to consciously open ourselves to the source, the highest consciousness of Oneness which includes all the levels top down including the vital and physical and that would be the consciousness of what we refer to as the Divine Mother. And Again, it would be limited by which parts of you open. So especially when you concentrate in this way, maybe just your mind opens, but your emotion life force may be closed, your body may be in inertia or in subconscious state. So if all of you can consciously open all the way down to your most physical consciousness and turn in a receptive state, then what descends could equally descend all the way down to the most physical, but with a density which is also not only spiritual, but a density of the mental, vital and physical substance, but originating from the same source. And that would lead to the most complete and sometimes most effective cure.
So there are two aspects to this: one is the aspect of opening to the Divine Mother in a call which should be not just in the mind but all the way down as far as possible including the physical consciousness; for which you have to first become conscious of these levels and learn to be able to open in these levels. Now most people can't, they think they do but they can't; because all they have done when they open themselves is a turn of the heart or a turn of the mind. Even when you say heart, generally it's a part of the emotional mind which turns, not the raw, denser or coarser emotions. They don't turn so easily and we're not even conscious. So the mind turns, some refined part of the emotions turn, but can you actively, consciously feel these other layers and turn them? And then all the way to the physical consciousness and feel in the body itself an awareness turning to aspire to receive.
If you can then you will have that action of the descent. Always there is a response when you open to receive. Always, even when you are not conscious you may be superficial and the descent will take place on a deeper layer of which you are not conscious. But if you are sufficiently interiorized then you can consciously feel the descent and feel its action in you.
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So Trivedi asks about, says, “Can we become young after age 25? Divine Mother said that those who have a supramentalized body will not be subject to the law of ageing and the question of age will not arise, can you explain?”
So I will deal with this question about ageing in the next part. Salil's question, “since ageing is a habit, how can we best use the method of building bridges and cutting channels to set new habits or rather establish plasticity on the basis of peace”.
So this also I will touch. Maybe we'll review the questions after this discussion. Can we then move to the next question?
Alina (0:33:02):
Yes, so our main topic is as we said, healing and ageing. And the question is “If ageing is inevitable, if death is inevitable, can the lifespan be extended?”.
Sraddhalu (0:33:19):
It's a very important question. The Mother herself worked on the body consciousness from the perspective of its divinization and transformation. Implied was the extension of lifespan and the youth and eventually an overcoming of death itself, implied as a side effect, that was not the primary purpose. And we have to make this distinction; it is extremely important to separate these two because it is possible in fact to extend your lifespan by various biological processes and energetic processes not involving spirituality. You can delay ageing, you can maintain a certain degree of youth to quite an extraordinary extent, even exceeding several hundred years, in principle. But none of this would change your consciousness of the body or change anything spiritually. If this was the intention, it could have been easily done, because this does not need a spiritual intervention at all. There are methods which we will shortly explore.
But her goal was the transformation of the consciousness of which indirectly there would be these benefits, which we do see in her case that at the age of 80 she was playing tennis and she was sometimes defeating people who were one-third her age, people in their 20s and so that itself is quite a dramatic achievement. And up to the age of 90 even when you look at some of her photographs, you would have said she is in her 60s or late 60s and she had this, the vitality that she had, she would be working all through day and night. Sometimes as I have mentioned in earlier sessions, she would go on working till early morning and it's 4 o'clock, she will say, “ah it's 4 o'clock, let's start the next day”, and the people working with her would be hard-pressed to keep up. And this is up to the age of 90.
And it's only from the point where she decided to withdraw that we see a rapid decline in ageing, because she had begun the withdrawal process. So all this is to say that as a result of change of consciousness, there is implied change of physical consciousness and its physical divinization, let's say, in stages, degrees to it. Doesn't mean it is perfect and complete but still. One of the results of that would be that ageing itself would be delayed. When it is entirely completed the body substance itself begins now to be divinized and now lives by the law of spirit and not by law of matter then death itself would become irrelevant.
So now we need to look at these two in a more detailed way. What is ageing and what is death, finally?
Mother going into the cell's consciousness found that in the cellular consciousness deep down somewhere in the very origins of the formation of the cellular consciousness of life itself in matter. There was the exhaustion from repeated attempts for life energy to push through matter, awakening and then again being beaten down. And again push through and again being beaten down. What you will see, for example, in grass in those parts of the earth where there is regular annual snow. So when the snow falls, the grass has to dry out. The roots somehow survive in a kind of hibernation or sometimes they are destroyed. But if they survive a little bit, when the warmth returns, they grow and regrow the grass and then they get beaten down again and again. So it's as if in the life energy is impulsed to grow, there is the habit of getting beaten down and at some point when it doesn't get beaten down, it says, okay, that's it, that's all I can do and start shutting down.
So Mother made this observation going into the cellular consciousness by the spiritual means that ageing is a habit. It is a habit in the cells, there is no compulsion at all for ageing. And by the habit of ageing, the cells begin to age and at some point they begin to die by a conclusion of that habit. Very interesting. And she said if you could change the habit of the cells, then you can overcome the aging and extend the life. Now, this could be done directly by spiritual means. But if just that is the goal and not the transformation, it can also be done by biological means. And we will be exploring some of that now, energetic and biological means. But otherwise, if you did it by consciousness means, it would have of course the most lasting effect because fundamentally the cells would be changed in their law of being and this would be the indirect consequence of the divinization of the cellular consciousness of the physical consciousness of the supramental transformation. But it's an indirect consequence it's not the goal. Again make that distinction.
Having said that, I want to explore the aspect of the ageing and then indirectly also later, death. To what extent can the youth and the lifespan be extended? Is there a limit? So looking at the theory having read what Mother said about the habit of the cells, for a long time I had convinced myself that well the pattern we have currently of ageing and decline of typically most people don't cross 100 years, very few. That would be the habit of the cells. And then later I came across other kinds of literature and I discovered, no the habit itself is not so simplistic, it is quite much more complex. Then going into the study of it and observing the cellular functioning through the knowledge that we have of modern biology and then observing within my own biology the mechanism of ageing itself as it kicks in at various ages. So I came to the conclusion that actually your cells in spite of their habit of ageing and eventually dying, actually your cells are capable of extending far more along with this habit. But there is a programming in the cells, which also we could call a habit, to kick in at certain ages in the life. And the programming kicks in to make certain changes at various points.
Some of this programming, for example, is when you hit puberty. All children at a certain age, suddenly the programming kicks in and a whole series of changes begin. In certain cases the changes are so dramatic that it's literally like re-forming a body. Suddenly your height is double, triple, your certain organs begin to get activated, change form, shape, function and so on. And then it stops, it doesn't continue unendingly; and then you continue for a certain period of what is called peak youth through the 20s till late 20s, and then suddenly something kicks in and there's a sudden decline, hardening; tissue, skin etc. begins to become slightly harder. Now some of these are tied to environmental stimuli and not everyone is conscious of that. It's not just about the food you eat but also the way you relate and so on. But much of it is actually rooted in the cellular programming.
Then again something happens, this of course is let's say early 30s, then again something happens in mid 40s, around the age of 43-44 typically, 42-44 we will say. Suddenly there is a further hardening and typically at that time your eyes and the lenses of your eyes begin to become harder. And you will always see, oh, you cannot, you have to take the book slightly farther away or closer. And you go to the doctor and they will say, your age is 42, 43? Yes, that's it. It's so precisely programmed. What is that mechanism of the clock, biological clock, which triggers this and if you could change that or prevent that trigger of that ageing then the actual habit of the cellular ageing is much slower or can be delayed substantially. How much? From the given evidence we can in principle extend at least 120 years. This is what modern science tells us; some of them will say up to 140 years and that's again just the scientific observation based on the cellular trends decline.
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But combined with certain other processes, perhaps what we see is there is some evidence to show it can go even more it can go even up to a thousand years perhaps up to 2,000 years. Now there are extraterrestrial beings who do live for up to a thousand or two thousand years. Naturally, their sense of time span is a little different from ours. And you can even say, okay, I will wait till I'm 200 before I have children. As the current biology of humanity, we say, okay, your ideal peak age for having children is late 20s or after that again, it begins to decline. Something like that. It's almost a tenfold increase.
And this comes not only from active contact with some of these beings of which we have spoken in some other discussions about ETs, but also it exists in some of our literature of ancient times. In biblical literature, they speak of some of the persons who lived a thousand years. In the Indian literature specifically in the times of the Mahabharata you have descriptions of not only Rishis but of others who lived for a thousand years. When Arjuna fought the Mahabharata, he was in his 60s and that would have been his prime of youth in a way. Think about what that would mean. The actual lifespan must be quite substantially more at that time and its as if it has declined over the years and perhaps it will again grow once again. Perhaps this is tied to a larger cycle of human evolution and cycle of the ages of the yugas and so on.
But at this point I am more concerned with what can we do about it. So my initial understanding of it was shallow. I corrected for this to recognize yes, there are means. The cells themselves in spite or despite their habit of ageing and dying, we can push lifespan by at least a few decades beyond a hundred and in principle we should be able to go into several hundred of our human birth years. Now this reprogramming could be done two ways. The way the Mother did, she went into the cellular consciousness and found the habit and from there reshaped the habit. Now remember since the goal was not life extension but divinization, the whole focus was elsewhere. But if at that level you have that skill to divinize, it is far easier to change the habit of ageing, which incidentally was the side effect as we see in her life. This would be one way by consciousness means.
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The other would be biological intervention. Since the clocks and the rhythms are biologically rooted, physically rooted in the machinery, it should be possible also to intervene in the machinery and modify, delay or activate other things. This is the direction of knowledge that is currently being revealed for human beings by the gift of Nature including through the genetic knowledge. And we are able to find now the mechanism of these activations, modify them and so on. Initially a lot of the experimentation is done with rats because they're cellular working, their rhythms and patterns are very close to the human and so most of these experiments are initially done with rats and then transferred to the humans and we do find some of them do work.
There are a few experiments where ageing has been delayed in rats but that has been found to be not so effective in humans. But once you have caught the principle there, you will find its equivalent principle in the humans. So this is just to give a broad framework and then we go into the specifics of it.
You notice that in the natural rhythm of the biological unfolding, the first 20 years have this enormously rapid growth. During that time your brain cells have also grown and then after a certain age the brain cells start reducing overall. That is the new cells growing are growing less rapidly than the old cells dying and that's generally when a kind of a rigidity begins to form. We observe in the biology there are certain hormones which kick trigger this and one of them is called the HGH human growth hormone. As long as that is active you're growing. After a certain age it stops and from there it begins to decline, keeping just barely enough that you don't degenerate too much.
There's a very interesting book by Timothy Ferriss called “The 4-Hour Body”, where he has all kinds of suggestions for improving the physical health, improving a learning capacity and various things with only spending four hours a week on it. That's why it's called 4-hour body. In that he narrates his own experience with boosting levels of testosterone as well as HGH. Testosterone is the male hormone which also we find maps very accurately the ageing process as long as we are growing the hormone rises and from the point where the hormone begins to decline we find the ageing process taking place and it almost maps perfectly with the ageing process.
So sometimes the suggestion is if you could start a replacement therapy you can as if delay ageing. Similar thing in women oestrogen replacement therapy has the effect of delaying ageing. Menopause is delayed and in principle by taking the hormone replacement regularly, daily, you can push the point where the menopause kicks in by a couple of decades. I know of at least one person that I know of who did that and took it up to the age of 70 where she was still having the menstrual cycle and then she said, okay now I'm tired of this I don't need it anymore, and she stopped. I find this very interesting what became tired, not the biology the psychology. And this is something very important as far as ageing and death is concerned maybe we will return to this later that even if you extend the biology life, if the psychology is not plastic enough there will come a time where you will say enough I'm tired, I want to change. So keep this in mind, I don't know if we'll have enough time to discuss this but right now we are focusing on the biology.
So if these hormones are kept in suitable balance then in principle one should be able to extend the youth substantially. As it turns out when you do it artificially because the biological clock triggers certain things which are multi-layered, multifaceted changes. The body's balance and rhythm is affected if you artificially boost only certain hormones. So while you do get certain indicators of good health, you do feel younger, you find the biology works better, there are other side effects which may or may not kick in, for some people more, some people less and even one of the feared side effects of HGH is that the growth hormone is that it may over stimulate cells and produce cancers, which happens in some people but not in all. So I give the example of Timothy Ferris because he describes how during the time he was taking HGH, he was I think in his late 30s or early 40s, a scratch on the skin, a deep scratch healed within 24 hours as it does when you're very young. With age that same scratch takes a week more, leaves a scar here it was no scar tissue nothing, just like a young body and so what this shows you is there are pathways of intervention possible on this level. This is one example.
A lot of modern science has actually come to take in this approach now which aligns with Mother's observation of ageing as a habit in the cells. So in the modern biological approach of research at least they say they treat ageing as a disease, a disease which ends in death. So if you can heal the disease in principle you should be able to extend life.
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First I will turn to what already exists as knowledge in the Ayurvedic tradition as well as some other occult traditions and then we will see what modern research tends to suggest or indicate in this direction.
So in the Ayurvedic tradition there is a whole technology which is called Kaya Kalpa, Kaya being body, Kalpa meaning transition, transformation or replace replacement or replenishment, so which is, the kalpas are cyclic the cyclic movement, so the body’s regeneration effectively. And in the Kaya Kalpa knowledge itself there are nearly two dozen methods of Kaya Kalpa, in the texts. Among them there is one, which is one of the most dramatic, in which you are put on a special diet and you are asked to enter a room which is completely sealed from light. So I think it is called Kutir Pravesha Kayakalpa that is entering a cottage and then you are in a darkness with a special diet. You are required to be in a state of prayer all through day and night. You don't know pretty much when it's day, when it's night because it's so dark and at the end of this treatment which may last anything from 20 days to 40 days, you come out of it somewhat rejuvenated depending on the kind of Treatment done and the effectivity of it on you. It doesn't have the same effect on everybody equally. You may end up coming out at least looking and feeling at least 20 years younger Now this is quite a dramatic thing if you're already aged 60 or 70. It makes a huge difference.
Is this validated today? We do not know any more of people who have this specific knowledge and if they do they probably keep it confidential for good reason. But there is one book which is written by T.S. Anantamurthy which is called Tapasviji. The book itself is of the life of a saint who lived for 185 years. He was born in I think 1770 and passed away in 1955. He narrated his stories to Anantamurthy who was his disciple. Anantamurthy then documented this in his book called Tapasviji. Quite a fascinating life and I would highly recommend for those of you who are interested in the spiritual journey to read this book. Although it is very much ascetic and sometimes painfully so, he spends an entire year with his arm, one whole year with his arm held up with the arms becoming shrivelled and it's a way of holding a strong will for a certain realisation and this whole suffering and putting the body through pain and beating it down so to say as a way of amplifying your force of will is unfortunately difficult to read, but it gives you a sense of the ascetic approaches and the spiritual experiences of course are very interesting and elevating.
But among them is this fascinating part of the story where being in the Himalayas, he was at that time I believe in his late 60s or early 70s, he meets a yogi there who's also aged and who asks his help. He says I will teach you the technique of renewing your body if you help me to renew mine. So he, that yogi does this program to Tapasviji. He comes out rejuvenated looking 20 years younger and then he does it back to the yogi who comes out looking 20 years younger and they part their ways. The idea for them was you renew the body so that you can continue your sadhana which is very useful in any case. Now the description is there and then subsequently he did it again for a longer duration, I think almost a year he was in the darkness, but that was for him a way of the spiritual concentration. He again came back looking younger and then he did it a third time. After which he was already in his more than 150 years old and then he began to lose interest in the material world because he was immersed in a certain state and finally he chose to quit his body.
But before that some people because this is 1950s, two well-known politicians asked his help for going through the Kaya Kalpa process. He did it for them, rather he made them go through it. They did not come out with, well there was a change, but there was not such a radical change as in his case. The reason for that I would understand to be this and that's the reason for the concentration in meditative or prayerful state. During the time that you're in the Kutira, in the darkness, you need to be completely still because the body is as if regenerating itself. Any unnecessary activity would reduce or interfere with that but also that the prayerful state keeps the body in a more receptive state and plastic for more radical change.
What happened with Tapasviji was in his first Kaya Kalpa, halfway through the process his teeth loosened and fell off and a new set of teeth grew and this is interesting. We do have medical evidence that such a thing has happened to a few almost accidentally. Nobody knows why it happens, nobody knows what is the trigger involved but in the Kayakalpa this does seem to happen. The rationale for this I will try to touch in terms of current science and we will perhaps get a hint of what happens there. You see every night when we go to sleep the state of darkness in which we go to sleep is critical because the light striking the forehead triggers the third eye which is the pineal gland biologically. It triggers the pineal gland which by the way has light sensors as if it was an eye or is an eye still. It has light sensors and even the slightest light touching the forehead, the skin or the eyes inside triggers it as a signal. So at night when we go to sleep in complete darkness, when there is complete darkness, the pineal gland releases certain signals. Among them there is the Melatonin signal which triggers the biological cellular working to say, okay now is the time to regenerate. So the cells stop engaging with an outward turn, turn inward and renewal process. And there is also the release of the Serotonin which is tied to this which also assists in that and at the end of that cycle the signal stops from the pineal gland and the cells receive a signal saying now the Melatonin levels drop and they say okay time to stop the regeneration and then you're ready for the next day and again the consciousness turns out, begins to turn outward. If during the time when this signal has been sent out, you expose yourself to light, even the slightest bit of light and this is biological research, the slightest bit of light striking your eyes and the signalling stops from the pineal gland. Now with the pineal there is also signalling of the pituitary. There are certain things which may come from the pituitary, I don't know anymore which one does which of these hormones, but the signalling finally received in the pineal affects the pituitary, the signalling stops and the cells stop the regeneration process.
Now you can imagine how important it is to be in darkness at night. If you get up in the middle of the night and switch on the light, open your telephone screen or shine a torch, just that light is enough to stop it. If at night your window is open and the street light comes through or you have a night lamp in your room which is giving light and that light coming on your forehead on your eyes is enough to prevent this. The result is that the regeneration of the cells is affected. Do this for enough days and then it's as if your ageing begins to accelerate because there has not been enough renewal, so the old cells have not been replaced enough that's effectively ageing. Ageing is when the new cells don't replace the old rapidly enough and so there's a decline. So the darkness and the renewal signals are connected.
So during this darkness concentration of the Kaya Kalpa you have as if a sustained renewal going on for 20 days or 40 days whatever the duration and the cells are kept in that mode of complete inward turn for renewal obviously they cannot be activated; you cannot get up and be doing exercises and stretching and things like that you have to remain completely passive. To be able to remain completely passive you must have some degree of inner life. And that's why in the Ayurveda they say you have to be in a prayerful state otherwise you will get so restless after a while; you will want to do some activity and the movement will disrupt this inward turn of the cells consciousness and make them turn out break this pattern. And that's why one of the requirements for the effective kaya kalpa is this deep meditative state that you should be able to retain or prayerful state as they say. So this would be one aspect of the rationale.
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The second aspect of the rationale is relating to the food. So Anantamurti does not give enough details but he gives some indications based on what Tapasviji mentions. One of the things he mentions is that they were required to keep a cow and the cow had to be fed on grain and then the milk from the cow was given to the person going through the Kayakalpa. What's that? So over the years I did my own little research to look for indications, hints of what this would relate to. And I'm just sharing here what I've discovered without holding anything back. Maybe there will be other things which we may discover over time but this is all I have right now.
So one of the interesting thing is when a cow eats grass, the milk produced is different. When the cow eats grain, the milk produced is different. One of the very big differences is when the cow eats grain, particularly in this case I think it was wheat if I recall right but I may be wrong. The cow produces a huge quantity of proteins in the milk. When the person going through Kaya Kalpa is given this cow milk there's a very high protein content but what we are told also and this is again not described in that book but from other Ayurvedic texts that this is often tied to a regimen of food where you start with a quantity of food, let's say X amount, which is 100% every day and with each day the quantity of food is diminished steadily, lesser and lesser until at the middle of the Kayakalpa you come down to zero food, you are on complete fast and then once again you start rebuilding, a little more food, a little more food, a little more food until you come back to the full amount at the end.
So this period of gradual reduction of food and then gradual of rebuilding food is critical also to that cellular regeneration and this is now explained by modern research that confirms this and one of the great discoveries was that when your body does not get enough food for long enough it automatically enters into a mode where it triggers the stem cells regeneration. Now the research goes to such an extent what it says is if you stop eating let's say this evening after dinner you stop eating, there's a cycle of up to about 12 hours 14 hours where there's no change after that sometimes the hunger will kick in. If you cross 15 hours then something else kicks in in the biology which says, oh now there's not going to be enough food, I need to regenerate by other means. You cross 16 hours, 17 hours, 18 hours, somewhere along the way they say around after 16 hours to 18 hours that the body literally triggers the stem cells which are inside the bone marrow, which are in various other parts of the body, which are inside various systems where it is held, stem cells, there see the knowledge is so superficial today. We are continuously discovering new things. One of the things we discovered in the root of your teeth there are some stem cells.
So it's as if the body has kept stem cells pretty much everywhere in some highly condensed form and all these get activated. Now what is special about stem cells is that they are cells which are similar to the cells when you were first, your biology was first literally forming as a foetus. Before the cellular differentiation that created specialisations. So in the foetal level, you have a single cell which becomes 2, 4, 8 etc. At still, there is no specialisation, they are all equivalent. Beyond the point, they start specialising and as they specialise, each specialisation goes into further specialisation and further specialisation until let's say a cell now becomes a bone, another becomes muscle tissue, another becomes skin tissue, another becomes hair whatever it may become it is unable to go back to its earlier plastic state, it has become specialised cell. Now two things happen under extreme environmental stress of not insufficient food, a specialised cell can revert to its stem cell poise. Again this has been observed but the full understanding is not clear. But existing stem cells can now start multiplying and begin to specialise replacing old tissue.
A second thing which happens is called autophagy where cells have a mechanism by which once they discover okay their time is over they shut down and get cleaned out. So this shutting down of the old cells while being replaced by new cells takes place as well as the cleaning mechanism that removes the cells takes place. Within the cells material which is old and stuck and unable to be removed now gets amplified in the cleaning. The cells begin to as if take care of the whole cleanup replacement process and disposal process particularly. For which purpose an intensified diet of protein is extremely helpful. All this is coming from reading which I have done over various scattered sources at some point perhaps I'll put it all together in an article or not maybe this is the article I don't know, but I'm just putting it out there for now.
And so the concentrated proteins from the cow which has been fed special kind of grain now makes enormous sense and the trigger of the stem cell regeneration as well as the autophagy process and the disposal of old cells and thereby the total renewal of the body becomes rational and aligns to current research and its discoveries of the body consciousness or the body processes. The teeth also regenerating because stem cells exist in the roots. There would be at some point a signal where even the teeth would be told, okay now it's you have to rebuild yourself and the old teeth are shed and new ones grow. All makes sense.
So the darkness, the special diet that takes you to the brink of starvation and then rebuilds from there again makes a lot of sense. All these are well known in the Ayurvedic knowledge, well known meaning the data is available freely. It's just that nobody pays attention or if they do they keep it quiet and it's not so much discussed publicly.
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What I found interesting also is another reference coming from a different occult tradition in the West which is alluded to by David Wilcock in one of his interviews he spoke of meeting a Freemason who was allowed access to their libraries and this very secret group and you go through all kinds of hierarchies to validate your competence for higher knowledge and so on. Mostly it is occult though there's a spiritual component but not really deep. It just takes you through kind of an occult knowledge which is only superficially spiritual. But well it has its place. So at a very advanced level in his in the Freemason lineage, this person who shared the knowledge with David Wilcox said he was allowed to read in the library a document that described a process for age regression, in which the person is put in a coffin which is closed so they are in darkness for about three days. They are given some special diet. At the end of three days they are taken to the top of a mountain and just as the sun arises the coffin is opened and the person is exposed to the sunlight and there is an intense sunlight triggering immediately as we discussed earlier the serotonin, melatonin and other signals which come from the pineal and pituitary glands, hormonal signals activating various things and then again the coffin is shut and the person is taken back into darkness for whatever number 40 days or 20 days something and then he comes out looking 20 years younger. So it's interesting validation of the Ayurvedic method in the Western framework.
If we could understand the actual mechanism internally, could we not trigger it by other means then? Instead of relying only on this indirect method of the light signals and the trigger caused by fasting. This was the basis for intermittent fasting practices for many.
Can we not trigger what fasting triggers? Can we not trigger that directly? So this becomes a whole line of further exploration that is possible today with current capabilities that we have of observing the genes. So I am going to touch up a little bit about this.
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There is an extraordinary lecture by David Sinclair on the TED Talks where he speaks of this experiments currently being done and explorations of ageing and anti-aging therapies and technologies. He himself owns a company in which he produces many of these amino acids and vitamins and hormones and such. Because today the kind of skill we have of being able to literally construct variations of hormones. You can take a biological hormone create a mimic of it with some variation and so on. And then program a cell to manufacture that particular line of hormone then inject it into a human being. All kinds of crazy things could be done. The knowledge exists, it's just a question of understanding, discovering what are the habit patterns of our body, biology and the triggers in those habit patterns and then so to say reprogramming the body with those triggers.
So David Sinclair has this very interesting talk, TED talk on ageing. Those of you who are interested in exploring this further can watch that. Following which you will find the particular regimen that he follows for anti-aging. There's a whole list of a dozen different things that he takes every day which are meant to assist this. Among them there are different kinds of materials which have been found, amino acids which have been found to activate this anti-aging effects. Resveratrol is one which is quite well known now and it was found to be an extract from grape skin. Interesting! Actually it goes to something much deeper which I'm tempted to touch upon but it's still not fully formed in me and so I'll just leave it as a general indication. Perhaps someday if I have a better understanding still can share it in a different way.
You see in the regeneration of the body in the cellular consciousness there are several things required and one of them which actually does the full renewal is the aspect of the Satchitananda consciousness touching it and it has three components Sat, Chit and Ananda and the Ananda aspect has its particular characteristic for regeneration and it is that which you touch when you go into deep sleep and the consciousness goes very deep, touches the Satchitananda for three, Mother says three seconds and you come back and you have the refreshing sleep. If you have not touched that and you've been pulled out before that was touched, you don't have the refreshing quality. So you see the grape, the material objects, material fruits etc. they all represent the reflection of reflection of reflection of things of the vital worlds and down to the physical worlds and the grape particularly is the capture something of that delight which is the basis for the wine and which is with its distortion of the delight obviously. But it's interesting that the grape skin has this particular thing which helps in cellular regeneration. And resveratrol injected into mice or fed to the mice was found to actually reverse ageing skin as the hair which was white became black again and so on. And so obviously now it's sold in a big way for people. It doesn't have the same effect for all; some people have more some people have less and so there are complexities involved, perhaps even quantities are involved. What you align it with what other foods you take make a difference, tied with fasting it may be amplified and so on.
Another material is called Pterosail bean which is also interesting for its regenerating capacities. There's another one which is Rapamycin. This comes from a fungus which was discovered in the Easter Islands and the fungus produces this I don't know what to call it amino acid and this is used in biology, in medicine as a way of preventing organ rejection. But this particular product released by the fungus actually has the effect of cleaning out the waste material from cells and regenerating the cells. So it's quite fascinating to see how these things are connected, which made me question also, which is goes back to something even more deep. Within your gut bacteria there are bacteria which can create vitamins like B12 which the body cannot create but if you have the gut bacteria which generate B12 your body gets a supply of B12 from the gut bacteria. What if you have a fungus which is in your intestines and the healthy fungus in this case, the rapamycin fungus, and it produces the rapamycin which your body gets and you have the nourishment which makes you young. Isn't it?
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So in fact a lot of these kinds of treatment which we are doing externally would boil down to a combination of bacteria fungus in our own gut which might ideally be generating those things to make your body young. And if that is destroyed for some reason by taking strong antibiotics well you lose that capacity. And ultimately if you recall our discussion on bacteria going back some two years when we started this series: One of the points was bacteria themselves are condensations of certain vibrations in the vital physical and depending on the quality of that vibration the condensation has that tendency or has that effect.
So our gut bacteria in a sense which is unique to each one of us as a fauna in the gut and the flora which would be the various kinds of fungus. Each is a unique imprint of our state of consciousness. So if we were to change our consciousness in a certain alignment which relates to this aspect of youth and regeneration and plasticity and renewal, then that vibration condensing eventually would create or represent itself as bacteria in the gut which would be producing the chemicals needed for that result on the most dense material part of the biology. So I'm just leaving this as a suggestion, I don't go too deep into it, you get a hint of something which is quite profound and from a spiritual point of view very valuable and I come back from this part of the discussion to something which is quite material still.
So Rapamycin is found to have some regenerating effects. Metformin which is used very commonly in for people who have diabetes as a way of preventing the diabetes symptoms from worsening. And interestingly, one of the side effects of metformin is actually to extend your lifespan, cellular regeneration. So in David Sinclair's collection of things, I think he had some subsequent talks where he updates some of the things he takes, Metformin takes an important place, a small dose every day, and so on all this is to tell you that one could act on the biological consciousness through biological means to assist in this also. But all of this is still on a very superficial level.
There are perhaps other means, discovered but kept secret because you know a lot of the science which is very advanced is still kept secret because it would revolutionise human life to such a degree that well those who have the control on us don't want it. They don't want us to be free so they rather keep you slaves and dependent and sick so that you keep spending money for their pharma products then make you healthy and free that they would no longer have control over you. So that's unfortunate part of the current circumstance.
But all this suggests that perhaps there are ways which are more direct. And now I come to one example which is referred by one William Tompkins. I have referred to his name in connection with UFO literature and extraterrestrial literature of which we had spoken long ago, couple of years ago. The only reason why I mention his name is because he has been so accurate, so cohesive and internally consistent with his technical knowledge of various things, historically the development of the technologies as well as certain aspects relating to the US space space program, missile program and ET related programs which did not make sense to me until I went through his explanation. And so to me that puts him straight away on a certain level of calibre which I have not found in any other source or literature relating to these ET and other black projects. So I am referring to him only because of that kind of solidity of his content.
One of the things he said about a year before he passed away, he said that they've already developed a certain means by which you only have to take three pills, you swallow them and within a couple of days you start feeling good and over the next few months you start feeling better and better and as it progresses your entire appearance begins to regress until you look at your prime in your late 20s. And this technology is already ready and it's going to be released in two years. Now he said that some three years ago I think. I don't think it will be released at least not yet, maybe eventually but not yet, because precisely for the implications that it would have.
There are other interesting technologies which relate to what I mentioned earlier about gut bacteria. We defined for example that if you transfer gut bacteria from a young person to an older person, the older person now begins to have characteristics of the young person. So this goes back to what I was saying about gut bacteria being also related to the ageing process. Similarly if you take blood transfusion from a young person to an older person again there is a signs of age regression. So you see this on two levels one is the bacteria itself then producing certain things or because the bacteria represent certain physical vibrations and the other is in the blood itself there is a life energy of the younger quality of vitality which automatically has the effect of making you younger. Indirectly, being around young people and receiving the life energy flow through you in the process would also have that effect of making you feel younger at least, which also happens as you know. So all this is to show you that there are other means perhaps which could be also available.
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And finally I come to perhaps the most dramatic of these which if you go back to the text of the Ramayana at some point in the narration when Lakshman has been grievously injured and might die they are told that the only way to revive him is by giving him the medicine drawn from the Sanjeevani plant. Literally the name of the plant means the life-giving plant. Sanjeevani. Jeevana is life, that Sanjeevani, that which gives life. But that is only found in the Himalayas. And so someone has to go to the Himalayas from Sri Lanka to the Himalayas and then bring the plant. There's not enough time. So Hanuman says, I'll do it because I can fly straight. So then he's told how to find the plant, where to look for it. And then he says but how do I find it? How would I recognize it? And then he's told the one characteristic of it is that it glows in the dark. So he goes to the Himalayas. He's looking for it. Eventually, he finds a whole part of the mountain that is glowing and he's not sure which plant it is so he just tears off a whole chunk of the mountain and brings it over. So suggesting perhaps there's still a part in the Sri Lanka where there is a chunk of the Himalayan mountain with that plant perhaps or maybe gone I don't know.
But the suggestion is that there is such a plant and if you of course discard all these stories as mythology which is not correct because they have such detailed physical descriptions including dates through astronomical positions that you have to validate it as something which happened in real. Then if of course if you dismiss it then you discard all this knowledge but if you accept it then there must be some place in the Himalayas which have still the Sanjeevan plant.
Having said that, we come back to the story of Tapasviji narrated by T.S. Anantamurthy. During his travels in the Himalayas, he meets a person who is living there, he says, for 5,000 years in the body. It's not a subtle physical materialising in the gross physical. It's living in the body. The man is almost 9 feet tall and well-built, very healthy and young and he says, I am like this because I eat from the Sanjeevani plant every day and he shows the plant and this is the only book surviving today in the whole world in which the Tapasviji narrates the appearance of the Sanjeevani plant. He describes what it looks like.
Assuming this is true again, obviously someone by now should have gone looking around it and I am sure there would be local folklore with some stories. If you took the trouble, you would find something eventually. As it turns out, someone did. Now this goes back, I believe it is in 2004 or 5, sorry 2014 or 15, something around that time. So barely about 8 years ago. There was a news item that appeared saying that there is a British exploration team which has gone to the Himalayas and now discovered the Sanjeevani and they have confirmed that it is the Sanjeevani plant. This appeared in several news outlets and I said, my god now at least people will wake up and start looking for this and start doing medical tests over it. Except some other part of me said that's not going to happen. The controllers of the human circumstances, I mean the bad guys not the good guys, they're not going to allow this, they will suppress this. So I saved my references to those links, I still have it somewhere I would have to dig it out.
But within a few days, complete silence. A year down, I do a search for Sanjeevani British team all the keywords, all scrubbed from the internet and to me this would be evidence that they actually found something. So again this would have gone into the black ops research this time under British government. I hope they don't destroy the source of the plant itself as a way of possessing it. I don't know could imagine the worst but I'd rather not. This is to say that in Nature itself the mechanism for regeneration has been captured in a single plant. But if it can be seen in a single plant it could also be in fragmented into multiple plants which is what we see in some of the materials which I have discussed earlier. And so taking that plant would assist in that regeneration which means there can be a single combination key which provided at a biological level would assist in regenerating the body and extending potentially the biological lifespan or maintaining youth to an unusual extent. Capturing the essential keys of that one could build the pills as William Tompkins suggests which could also have that effect. All of this is valuable, precious because from a spiritual point of view the current human lifespan is not enough to complete the work that we have to do.
And this was an observation that the Mother made in one of her discussions in the Agenda where she says that we really need to extend this, we need the equivalent of two or three lifetimes to complete the full work of the transformation. But she puts it in different context, she says therefore the need to be able to carry over the consciousness in continuity from one life into the next.
There is also a very interesting incident when at the late stage when she found that she was not getting sufficient support from the human consciousness for the transformation. So again recall, they could have made the transformation in their own bodies and Sri Aurobindo says it would have been done long ago. But their intention was to imprint that change in the collective consciousness of humanity so that what they did in their own body would actually ripple out in the mass of humanity. As a result there was a resistance of the mass of humanity which is as if being dragged into a change which it doesn't want and so the need for enough people around who would be a supporting nucleus that itself being diluted all the possibilities of that transformation got delayed and the result was at some point of course Sri Aurobindo left his body, the Mother herself took it as far as she could and then she made it, she had to make a choice.
And she even said if there was one person who valued her body for what it really was, then she wouldn't need to leave. That also did not happen. There was not the support and she had to leave the body at some point. But just before that she made a last attempt also to see to what extent even on a very material level, science would support her and she calls Dr. Bisht who was at that time I think the head of JIPMER, one of the premier medical institutions of India and then she asks him can your science do something to help this body? And Dr. Bisht said no Mother, it is age, there is nothing we can do and Mother made a gesture of letting go and that was the point where she made the decision to withdraw.
I often asked myself why she asked this question because she had access to the knowledge in any case. The requirement was for humanity to provide the support for this transformation because otherwise left to herself, she could have done it but for the acceptance from the human side then only it would have its effect in the mass of humanity. For that purpose she needed the support and turning to science because in her consciousness she knew that there is this knowledge already available but whether science or human mind was willing to give it in assistance in support and of course Dr. Bish didn't have access to it but he could have simply said, we will find out and maybe the knowledge would have come to him, but a decision was taken or let's say that was the status of the current human consciousness and so Mother took that decision.
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So I think with this I would pretty much conclude the overall theme that I had in mind for discussing this ageing and the question of ageing and extension of youth on a material level, not by change of consciousness, but by material means, but also putting it in context of the change of consciousness. What Mother also hinted at at some point was that increasingly in the future there will be a mechanism by which you would be able to take a single pill which would have all the nutrition required for the body. And some suggestions of that kind which she foresaw as tendencies for the future. And yes, so we come to a conclusion that yes biologically we can have means to delay ageing, extend youth and so on as technologies these will become more and more prevalent and better known. There is a more ancient knowledge of also how to trigger this which has been largely lost but can be understood in terms of modern science and the two could be used to mutually support each other. That at an intermediate level which is on the gut bacteria level also we see it as condensation of certain vibrations of consciousness which can also assist in this and which points us now to a psychological change. If within us we can change our outlook of consciousness, awaken in us that particular quality which is characteristic of the youth that looks to the world and says, Wow! What a beautiful world! I want to learn, I want to explore. And that enthusiasm of the youth, which is dulled with age, where we say, I've been there, done that, who are you to teach me? I know better than you. Instead of taking that poise, we turn to this very young state of consciousness, starting with your mind, and then in your emotions, and then condensing further down into the life energies, and perhaps touching even the physical consciousness, that would be one way that you could work directly by psychological process to make the overall personality including the biology younger, less aged and lasting longer also and more healthy.
From a point of view of consciousness, the characteristics required first, removal of old. So you have at a very physical level in the cells there is the baggage of waste material which is not being pumped out. So either the cells have to clean out which is triggered by some of the materials we spoke of or those cells which have too much baggage have to die and be replaced by new cells. But either way the removal of old baggage, think of it this way, within you how much of junk you carry from the past. How many still you cling to of hatreds or dislikes or sadnesses or guilt or angers of various kinds to people. That fellow when 20 years ago he abused me I don't like him. That's one of the things which is compelling age on you, because it's a junk inside your biology, inside your cells, inside your organs which is not being thrown out at a psychological level, reflecting in the organs. Throw out your past baggage. Let go of all the things which hold you back into the past. So removal of old baggage, completely.
Literally your aim should be to be new born every day. You meet the people who have hurt you, okay, maybe not 10 days ago, but 10 years ago, you should be able to forget it and just say, welcome. Or keep in mind, okay, they're capable of nasty things. And yet you meet, you be with them as you would if you had met the first time. But don't get involved in that kind of interaction where you might be hurt again. But not holding a grudge, not carrying the baggage of that event which is holding you back to that time of 10 years ago and makes for your ageing psychologically and therefore physically.
So first, removal of the old. Second, renewal, replacing. All my life I have used a telephone which was sitting on a little handle and I can only use that. I can't use a cordless, I can't use a mobile, I can't use any new changes. But if you were born in this, you can use it. So, renewal, replacing the old by the new, in form, in spirit, in consciousness, in ideas, in emotions. Just because you have a habit of being, let's say, stiff and serious all the time is that how you want to be? Can you be different? Can you be more truly you? Replacing by always something better, something newer something more beautiful, something more true, something more complete. So renewal would be the second characteristics.
Third would be an opening to the life force of fresh life energy. Fourth would be increasing consciousness. If you are not aware of something you cannot change it and it cannot continue to renew itself. So consciousness, becoming more aware as much as you are, that much you can open to a higher light or change. We come to the next keyword plasticity, which is this ability to adapt to change to adjust. In a sense the universe has grown and you have left you've stayed behind as you were in a past universe. That's your age. You keep up with the universe growing and you are young psychologically and therefore biologically. So in effect it comes to the state of being always new born which is what would happen at a cellular level when you are replacing through the stem cell regeneration you're replacing the old cells or replacing the entire biology.
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Oh just in passing little things which I might have forgotten like this: why 40 days? It's very interesting because different cells of your body have different lifespans. Typically, a skin cell has a lifespan of a few days other cells, blood cells for example, I think have a lifespan of about a week or so and then they have to be replaced; and then the bone cells similarly have a longer lifespan but they also are replaced gradually. But typically the longest cellular lifespan is about 40 days and those have to be replaced. So if you can keep this Kaya-Kalpa regeneration process going for 40 days and let it go deep enough, then effectively all the cells of your body would have been replaced. That's the rationale for the duration. But that's just an aside, I come back to this renewal. The need to renew and replace constantly, you could do that with force. You need a little bit of life energy to be able to do that even.
But you notice there's a part within you which is always living in that. Which part of you is always not bound to old, ever fresh, ever new, always optimistic, always curious, learning, growing, ever plastic and with infinite capacity to regenerate like your stem cells. What is your psychological stem cell, if I may use that phrase? The psychic being and the psychic consciousness, which is you, which is your origin, which is the basis for the whole formation of this personality, which is even the basis for the biological organisation which it has so to say built up over millennia, over millions or billions of years. And so if the psychic influence begins to come forward in a strong way, in the parts where it comes forward there will be a tendency for youth spontaneously and this ability to renew and replace and be ever fresh and plastic. Only to bring it all the way down into the most physical part of your consciousness would be required for the physical regeneration by such means. Ideally therefore one would have a combination of both by consciousness change, or three things- consciousness change from above, an emergence of the psychic influence with a certain intensity and a material density almost, and then third, on the biology level itself, certain support systems based on the knowledge that we have, where we activate those linkages, pathways, triggers of the biological system which allows the body then to automatically regenerate and extend its lifespan substantially.
If we can maintain the psychological youth and the biological youth then it becomes worthwhile and useful to extend. If the psychological youth does not extend and only biological youth extends you become such an anachronism after a while, you're like a dinosaur in a young body, you get fed up with it. Much less, naturally the rest of the world, but you get fed up with it and so it becomes pointless. I believe there are people who using such means, both consciousness or energetic or even biological means, do extend their lifespan and live for a few hundred years. They keep quiet to themselves because it can be dangerous for them to be exposed. Just as the example of this 5,000 year old person described by Tapasviji and Tapasviji himself extending his life to 185 years. Yes that exists, that's possible. Perhaps for us someday we should make that effort also. But only it makes sense if you are able to keep your youth psychologically.
So at the moment at least I will conclude this whole discussion by prioritising the psychological youth and the psychic influence as the dominant reference for this and to some extent possible by combination of food, diet, nutrition and supplementation of these kinds if you can make your body healthy and of course exercise which is one of the best ways for regenerating life force at least, by some such combination to be able to extend our lifespan so that we can fulfil the deeper potential of our spiritual journey and that would be still our greater priority. Absent that or with whatever limitation we have in the biological capacity to regenerate, develop the psychological capability to build the continuity of consciousness into the next birth. And of this we have already had a discussion in one of the prior sessions of the evening series and do look at that.
If you are interested in this aspect, you will find the text in Sri Aurobindo's Life Divine where he describes the three requirements by which you can develop the consciousness to be able to continue with the current awareness or at least what is required of the current awareness into the next incarnation so that the work can continue without having to start as if from zero with a new personality and rediscovering after 20 years or 30 years that, oh yes I'm supposed to recover the work I did in my previous life and continue and not having lost it and having to struggle with the damaged psychology or circumstances because you were misled halfway through which is happening to a lot of young people today. So this also would be an important part of our preparation.
The three things required there were the full formation of an individuality around the psychic centre, the opening to the inner subliminal dimensions, which allows for the deeper potential to come forward and the third would be, not necessarily in the right sequence, the third would be to be plastic to the touch of the infinite. And there is a deeper discussion about all these three in that earlier session. So death, now finally coming back to the question of the, is death inevitable? To the extent that the biology can be extended you do not need to biologically die but to the extent the psychology cannot be extended you may want to shed the biology and start afresh because that's the only way you will be able to be plastic enough to have a new line of experience.
In time though, our work will be on the cellular consciousness, with the cells themselves learning not to age or need to die. And so that would be the larger work of the supramental transformation of the body. Again, that would be one of the consequences of the work of the supramental transformation of the body. For those who are interested in this aspect of the three things required for carrying the consciousness forward, the entire series which is on the YouTube channel on the Life Divine starts with that topic. I started that portion deliberately as the priority where Sri Aurobindo discusses how the life, how the soul carries things across lives, what it carries, how it chooses and then what is needed to make this continuity. So if you start from the beginning of that series there's a much deeper discussion there.
(1:44:03):
So I think this would cover in some depth the question of ageing, deaths and youth and extension of lifespan. For me, it's a very fascinating topic for this reason because one life is not enough for us, one current human lifetime and I would hope that a few hundred years down perhaps most of us will be able to have several hundred years of lifespan even and with the necessary plasticity of the body to be able to make good use of that.
I think we will pause here for our session today and take a moment to recapitulate the key points for further action. The psychic influence and its youth that needs to fill our whole being and while that work is done inside out, and outside in action, to plastify our nature, to let go of past baggage, to renew, regenerate and live every day as a fresh new step with a young youth, with a youth of outlook, and to the extent possible, taking care of the biology through exercise, nutrition and perhaps other supplementations to keep it healthy, young and an instrument that is young and plastic and then the bridging of these two domains if our goal is to divinise the physical consciousness including. And after all there is the help of the Divine Mother for the work that is being done in us and so we turn to Her for the help, for the inspiration and for the strength to fulfil that which we came for in this lifetime.
Namaste. Until next week.
Alina (1:46:18):
Namaste. Thank you very much for such a beautiful session.