EWS #32: Mother on flying saucers, Nikola Tesla (3)

Mar 30, 2019

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Narad (0:00:00):
Welcome to our series, Evenings with Sraddhalu. And today we continue this idea, more than an idea actually, Sraddhalu's experiences on free energy and space travel. So you are going to begin with a story.

Sraddhalu (0:01:35):
The last time we discussed the technologies of being able to overcome gravity, which these beings coming from other planets seem to have developed, which we also saw that on earth scientists have been exploring these since the 1920s at least and maybe even earlier and the technologies have been developed, have been even mastered on a certain level in the military programs but then they have been suppressed for various reasons and allied to the technology of overcoming gravity is the technology of drawing free energy well we use the word free because it's not energy that you have to pay for to buy fuel. All of our current human society has organised its energy needs around fossil fuels. At least that's how they are called. They may or may not be always fossil necessarily, but it's oil from the ground which is being drawn out and then burnt to drive your cars or to generate electricity and you have a few variants which involve dams, damming rivers which create electricity or nuclear energy which is also extremely destructive, even more destructive than fossil fuels.
[Narad] Some solar in the deserts of America do generate energy.
[Sraddhalu] And I remember when solar energy was being encouraged in the ashram, that was part of one of the programs that Mother had for Auroville, because she saw that direction for the future. I remember at that time it was considered such a novelty that the mainstream would look at solar energy and say, oh yeah, let them do their own little thing while we do the real thing. And nuclear technology was being promoted so powerfully at the time. And here in the ashram we had this whole unit for solar energy research and Dr. Chamanlal Gupta was at that time, one of the, or probably the most reputed person most respected in this field in the whole of Asia and so when the Indian companies Tata wanted to develop the Tata Energy Research Institute, they approached him and he said you know I have one condition I won't leave the ashram. So they built their entire research institute in Pondicherry just because he was here and he was of course consulting for Auroville as well as for the ashram and he is one of the most reputed scientists in the field even today. But she wanted this for Auroville and there is an interesting thing she said about nuclear power. She said that the atom is something which nature has taken a very long time, billions of years to build and to break it is to go against the will of nature. Now this is the vocabulary she is using and later she explains some of it. She says that when they break the atom, the habit by which nature holds it together, that habit weakens. Now this goes back to a very deep principle of science. You see when you look at pure physics, you go down all the way to subatomic particles, the question could be asked, why are the particles the way they are, why do they move the way they do, what makes for those laws? And we don't have an answer, that's how it is. And Sri Aurobindo explains that these are habits of nature. They are grooves along which nature has created a habit of movement of energy by repeating it everywhere in the universe for so long that it becomes the norm. And so when you reverse that and break the item, you are weakening that habit. And so Mother's observation, she says, well it's harmful. And then she says as if in, as an afterthought in a positive direction, she says, well perhaps it will lead to a creation which will be even more plastic. She did say fission not fusion. She did not use those words. She just inclined herself towards something which goes in the same direction as nature to unite atoms rather than break atoms. Which is fusion rather than fission. But the observation is interesting that the weakening of this may lead to a creation which will be more fluid, more elastic, because you have weakened the rigidity in nature. And so it is as if the supramental force can use anything. There is another example though. She wanted solar energy obviously. She said taking energy from above is the right way and not from below. Now this is very interesting as a symbolism. When you dig into the earth, what are you digging to? Well, the dead fossils, the dead plants, the old million year old thing. It's the past, it's the inconscient. Dying, dead, inconscient, which you take from below to fuel your life. And even in the symbolism, you can see that it belongs to the past and the future is to look up, the source of energy which is clear, free, fresh from the sun. So Mother did speak of energy from the sun as being the future.

Narad (0:06:59):
I think she also said all the energy you need can be received from the sun.

Sraddhalu (0:07:05):
Exactly. So the question of course is, is the sunlight it? if you go purely by the physics, the sunlight is not enough to give all that you need. Obviously the sun is putting out more than just sunlight, it's putting out life energy, prana and so if we have to look a little more deeply, if the sun is giving off all these things of which sunlight is a tiny part, you can tap into those other things also and if you could tap into it just as putting a solar dish or solar cell gives you free energy. You tap a little deeper and you will have enormous free energy and that would be enough for all our needs. Is that possible? So here comes an interesting thing. I was researching this whole field for many years and particularly looking at the physics behind it, behind the free energy because as we discussed last time, the experiments in this field have been going on for many decades. One of the earliest scientists who has worked in this field, not only overcoming gravity but even extracting energy from the ambient environment, is Nikola Tesla, who was not only able to do this successfully, but who was then attacked viciously and his work destroyed, his laboratory burned, years of work of his laboratory nodes were destroyed because he had got into this space which certain forces did not want and he was premature. Later on, once he had crossed a certain threshold of inventions where he literally created everything that we have today. Let me elaborate on this and I come back to this point. All the electricity you use, the entire generation system, to your AC motor, to the three phase power supply, transformers in between, neon lamps, CFL lamps, short of LEDs but all the other light systems, all were invented by him. Robotics, radio wave communication and a very sophisticated kind of information to be transmitted with multiple channels of data being transmitted. All of these were demonstrated by him. He demonstrated also some of the other things which were outstanding, which were so far out as experiments that people at that time didn't understand what he was doing. He became master of lightning. Not only he knew how to manage, he could recreate lightning in his laboratory on a scale which to this day has not been replicated and he created a machine which was able to pulse lightning and transmit electricity in a manner that at a distance of 10 kilometres you only had to turn the antenna in the direction of his transmitter, you had bright light, but without any dangerous radiation in between. He was using intense fields, electric and magnetic where you could put your hand in and nothing would happen to you, but you could put a piece of iron and it would melt. So he was playing with energies of such intensity, but yet they were safe. And there was a point where he said he had got it to a level of precision that he could pulsate this energy until the entire earth's electromagnetic field was pulsating with his transmitter and so he could radiate energy to any point of the earth at will with practically zero cost and a single waterfall would be enough to run his device and provide energy for everybody. That's when his transmitter which he was working with was taken over, broken and destroyed and so at that point he withdrew and he made an interesting observation. He had literally built up the entire electric age. As I said even today, everything we use is invented by him and he said, 'the present belongs to you but the future belongs to me'. He continued to develop instruments, experimenting but he didn't bring it into public domain. He announced what he had done, he had patents registered but most of them even today are classified some of them are still available which are more mild but the more dangerous ones have been classified but they were being developed by him and so all of that goes into this domain which he recognized was too far ahead of the current human development and age. And so he accepted that reality and just continued his work all of these crazy experiments which to this day we don't fully understand. You will find Sri Aurobindo describes in Savitri, when you have the three soul forces, the Madonna, the three Madonnas, and then the warped echo from the ego which comes in response and there is a description of the human ego saying I have done this and I will do this and much of it has to do with science. Many of the things described there, Nikola Tesla had actually done. So it has been my conclusion that he represented a vibhuti. He was a vibhuti that came for the purpose of pushing forward the science of that age and literally forming the framework of modern, the electric society which we have today. So that's one part of the story. In that he was able to tap into that free energy as part of his work. Subsequently we find literally dozens of scientists rediscovering not one way but many ways to approach it. And once you understand the principle behind how you can tap into this free energy which is everywhere then you will find there are in fact many approaches in which this can be done.

Sraddhalu (0:12:56):
So my exploration in this started very early. When I was 12, I looked at the future and I said, it's not going to happen unless we have anti-gravity and free energy. It was obvious that the future needed this otherwise we would destroy the earth. And so at that point it was a bit premature perhaps but it was the turn of my aspiration I began to study physics with the intention of being able to understand what these experiments were like and to develop the vocabulary to articulate these principles and ideas so I first went into Einstein's theory of Relativity and built up from there. I even read Einstein in his original while I was at school level and I discovered that something had gone seriously wrong. Einstein had removed from science the ether. And the ether is the unifying principle, ether is the medium through which you tap this energy, ether is the life force that the sun is putting out, which allows you to tap humongous amounts of energy at any point. Current physics comes to this conclusion in an indirect way. They call it zero-point energy. That is, at any given part of space, the density of the underlying energy, real energy, which forms the whole universe, is so great that in a tiny cubic centimetre of empty space, so called empty space, there is enough energy to evaporate all of the oceans of the earth instantly. Now if you take a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of that, it's enough to run your whole house and your cars and your spaceships and everything else and it will be purely the electric age because when you tap into that energy, the most easy form in which you can extract it, in its purest way is electricity. And you can have enormous amounts of electricity anywhere with a very simple device. So now we come back to the Mother. So while doing this whole exploration, it was obvious which way we had to go and so I began to review science from this perspective of the ether as a foundation, because that's the Vedic perspective. That's what Sri Aurobindo says. Remember Einstein threw out the ether, not proved that it doesn't exist, he said let's assume it doesn't exist. Yeah, in his letter to Amal he speaks about it and he just disregards it. So 1905 is when he threw out the ether. 1915-16 when Sri Aurobindo is writing the Life Divine, he tells you ether can and does exist. Even in the synthesis of yoga, in his writings on the Upanishads, in his essays on the Gita, everywhere the ether principle as the five elements and the basis of five elements is described but in particularly, in the Life Divine, where he is describing the physics of particles of matter. He says ether can and does exist even if to our present instruments it is not measurable. So what he is saying is that it is at a level of subtlety that you can't measure doesn't mean it is not there. Now given this background can we rebuild physics on the basis of an ether and the result is a physics which unifies all the forces and one of the implications is that not only you can draw energy freely anywhere but the technology for drawing it is also obvious and simple. Like I mentioned in our previous discussion, if you explain it to somebody, you can hack it in your garage with a little bit of skill. It's that simple. And the other part, which is the extraordinary implication is you also can explain it and therefore reverse it or modify it. Current physics considers gravitation as a fundamental force along with electromagnetism and strong force and weak force doesn't explain it, it just says it's there, somehow it's there, we don't know how it is. Every particle has gravity, how? we don't know, it's not an explanation, it's a description. But when you go back to the etheric foundations and in the way Sri Aurobindo explains how the five elements emerge, he tells you the secret of all forces, how they emerge and with that knowledge you can literally modify gravity or recreate it or intensify or reduce or whatever. That knowledge is there in Sri Aurobindo's writings and it is something which we have to someday enter into and perhaps even develop for its implications.

Sraddhalu (0:17:40):
But so I come back to the Mother's observation. While doing this research I said somewhere we must have had some insight that the Mother makes. So I asked a few of the old sadhaks, did you ever discuss with the Mother about the future of energy and so on and I found one sadhak who had and that was Pranab da. He was one of Mother's attendants and when I asked him this question he said, oh yeah that's true, I asked the Mother, or Mother said this, and she said, in the future, this is how I put it, in the future we will not need these electric wires. If you go back to Pondicherry of that period, every road had these pillars, pillar posts with 3, 4 or more wires which brought the electricity to your house. This is the case everywhere on earth in those days. Subsequently the cables went underground but they are still there. You need cables. Where is the electricity generated? A few thousand miles away. From there it has to be transmitted all the way here with these high voltage cables hanging, conversion of transformers etc. But you are far away from the generation. And of course you have to pay, because it has to come to you and you can measure how much comes, you have to keep paying money. So Mother's observation was in the future all of this wiring will not be required because every house will have its own source of electricity. And then she said it will be a box about this much, this size <indicates something around 1-2 cubic ft>, it will give all the electricity you want and then something more, she said it will emit a bluish light. Now what was fascinating was, in my research I had come to one of the conclusions that in order to tap into this, you had to use high voltages to pulsate the ether to be able to extract energy from it and one of the side effects of that high voltage is a bluish corona and there you heard Mother saying a bluish light around this little box this size and Pranab da showed me like that you know. So what's the size of that like a typical stabiliser which you may have at home, one audio player amplifier that's about the size. You plug it in somewhere and it powers your whole home, wouldn't that be wonderful? And the technology for this has been already discovered. So now I've come to my explorations further. I looked around on the internet, I studied all those people who had claimed to find it, went into their patents, some of them went to the descriptions, some of them tried to hide the secret because they thought they can make money out of it. So a few things were there, photographs were there and among them I discovered one and this I discovered in the 1990s. Internet was just fresh and there was a community in Switzerland where there was an inventor who had developed a machine which gave off electricity and it had two spinning discs and they put up the video of it at that time. So I remember seeing the video and then they took it offline and I said well I wish someday I could go and meet that guy and at that time I was never travelling out of Pondicherry. So many years later, I think it was 2009 or 10, I was invited to a program in Switzerland. It was my first trip to Switzerland proper. And I told my hosts, I'd like to go to that place if it's possible. I had no idea of distances. It turned out that place was barely 20 minutes away from where I was. But my host said, oh no, that's very far away. I didn't realise, you know, Switzerland is so small, you can drive from one end to the other in three hours. For them, half an hour is very far away and there was some confusion, they said, oh but you know, that's a community, they are weird people we don't have anything to do with them, we don't respect them and it was a spiritual community, which was not of the conventional religion of Christianity, of the space so they considered it weird. So I said well okay, I was totally dependent on them. I said okay, that's how it is. The next year I had to go for some other program and this time it was somebody from Auroville who was helping to organise and I told her, you know if you can, I'd like to go there to that place. She wrote to them and they said oh we don't allow visitors. That's a spiritual community they have had enough of people harassing them. So they said we don't allow visitors. Then she wrote saying, no we are coming from a spiritual community and this is the background of Auroville and the ashram. So and she sent a photo and they said, yes you can come. So that was my first visit. It was a community called Methernitha. You can still see a little bit on the internet. They are very reclusive, very protective and for good reason as you will see what happened. So I went there and I had no idea what to expect it turned out the person who invented the machine was the head of the community. It turned out he [[<Paul Baumann>]] was an extraordinary spiritual being, extraordinary in his attainment, in his realisation. When I met him he was almost 90 perhaps 89-90. No he was already 90, past 91-92. He died a year later. So I meet him and he the experience in contact with him was so extraordinary and then he pulled out the machine and placed it before me. The machine which he had made it, there was a small version and a big version. The big version they didn't have or he didn't show but the small version he showed me and I could study it and it was so simple. It is so simple, like I said, you can put the diagram online and people can create it in their garage. It's that simple. And all you had to do was push it. There were two discs, push it counter rotating clock, one clockwise, one anticlockwise. They counter rotate and it gives off electricity. This little device was giving off 300 watts and the bigger version was giving off three kilowatts. That's enough to run an entire house you start it running and it keeps going and that's all. You don't have to do anything, no fuels, nothing, pure electricity so when he showed it to me he said you are very courageous to come here and I was wondering why he said that and he said that they had been so ostracised that initially he used to show his machine freely, that's how all the internet reports came. And at some point the Swiss military raided their community as a way of threatening and then somebody from NASA came and told them that if you value your comfort, threatened them basically to stop this. And so he said he had withdrawn the machine completely after that. And then he showed me the little model. At the time when he showed me it was not working and I could see why because these two discs which were counter-rotating were tied with something like a rubber band and the rubber band had come loose. So I wanted to set it right and I would have been able to see it work but they wouldn't allow me to touch. So I said, okay that's good enough. I saw it and that's good enough. What was interesting is that time when I met him, of course it was an overwhelming experience because of what he radiated in his presence and it so happened I had another, one month later another invitation to speak at a yoga conference in Switzerland and so I said, well when I come for that I will come and meet you again and I went a month later and at that time he was not well.

Sraddhalu (0:25:10):
So he was very aged and he would literally drift off into sleep because he was so tired. So we were sitting there, I was hoping to have a greater interchange, discuss the machines, but by then I realised this is not just a scientist, he is first and foremost a spiritual leader. And so we were sitting and suddenly he nods off. So I wait, after a while, I said, alright, if he is sleeping, meditating, I don't know what, I will also meditate. So I closed my eyes and I invoked the Mother's presence and Sri Aurobindo. And as I concentrated, I felt the contact with their presence. And in the moment that I felt the contact, this man opens his eyes bright and says, your friends are most welcome here. And I am in two minds, is he speaking about my friends like the people I know or is he speaking about this and I assumed it's that, but nobody I have met so far talks of things of the higher world as if it's a day to day conversation. So I had to literally split, it's the same experience I had when I met him the first time he was talking here but he was speaking of things there and I had to split my consciousness and communicate here while talking here and it was amazing experience. I've not met anybody with whom I had to do that, well one or two people but not with this intensity and he was doing it consciously because he was living like that on these two levels at the same time. It was amazing experience and so the second time when he popped up with this 'your friends are most welcome', so I'm hesitating I'm wondering, is he speaking of them or something else and after a few seconds he closes his eyes and again he opens and says, 'are they happy with what they see upstairs'? You see, his sacred room was upstairs from where we were sitting and then I realised he was speaking of the Mother and Sri Aurobindo and I said, I don't know, I can't speak on their behalf, but I said I don't know. And then he spoke of his friends in India and that's when I began to understand that he is talking of spiritual beings and he mentioned certain names and I said do you know them? I said not by those names obviously. Then he said something about, you see his vocabulary was very different, he would speak of spiritual station, meaning like a subtle world or subtle, in our vocabulary we would say we have the physical ashram and we have the subtle physical ashram where Sri Aurobindo and the Mother are there and he was telling me about that. He said you have the station which is there, do you know of it, have you been there, have you been able to enter it. It was an amazing experience. It was the first time I met someone who is so blatantly overt about the inner world and inner realities as if they are his current reality. And he couldn't literally separate one from the other. So that was a fascinating experience. But that's about all we could do and he was very keen that I should come back the next year, he wanted to show me things and I was supposed to travel to Europe and I had planned to make a detour and there was a technical problem, I did not get the visa in time and a couple of weeks later I got the message he had died. He passed on and so that opportunity was lost, but in this whole experience I saw something which was the most valuable for us. Of course at a very material level, the technology is so simple, to tap into this energy which is universal energy and it's the future for sure. No more fossil fuel, no more destruction of the environment, but on the other side, here was a man who was first and foremost a spiritual person, who was also a scientist, technologist, engineer whatever form you can say, all self-taught. He had not learned these things in school and when he was asked how did you make this because scientists said, 'we don't have this knowledge, how did you get it?'. He said you only have to ask nature and nature will give you all the secrets that you want and he said I asked nature and she showed me how to do and that's it. That's what I have done. Of course it was his way of saying it. But as I understood later through my contact with the community that he had this extraordinary ability to enter in relation with beings of the higher world or with higher states of consciousness because he was living literally on these two domains.
I heard some amazing stories from people who were there around him. Obviously they had all gathered because they had this unusual experience with him. So one of them said this as a young girl, she met him for the first time and he asked her have you ever seen an angel and she said no, then he asked well can you imagine what an angel would be like and she said yes and she had a picture in her mind, and he described precisely what she was seeing. Amazing. And so he was literally living in these two worlds equally, straddling worlds so to say. And so for him access to that domain was so spontaneous and effortless. I would hear, I have heard many extraordinary stories of things around him. He would repair machines, this was one of his skills as a young man, even as a teenager. People had machines which were not working, he would go there and pull a few levers, bang a few things here and there and it would start working. An electronic radio device which is not working, he would take it and do something, shake it, it's working and he would give it back. I met the electrician of the community and he narrated a fascinating story. He said, for many years in one of the houses, because Switzerland gets so cold, there's snow literally in that part, they have snow for like eight months in a year and heating was a big issue and in those days they had no money for fuel. So he had, because he was handling the electricals himself in the early days, he had plugged in wires and developed the whole system and they had electric heating in certain rooms. So many years later, after he had done this, the official electrician of the community then who had taken over the work, he was called because some electrical connection wasn't working. So he began to trace back the wires. And he went looking for the source, and the wires went up into the attic. And then he said the wires came up and they were plugged in into two nails on the wall and that was it and the whole house had been running on electricity coming from these two nails. And so in his effort to do that he looked for the source and after that of course there was no electricity anymore, it was not working. So he had extraordinary occult capacities also. But what it teaches us, and this is the point we should look at, that the knowledge is there. If you bring it into the vocabulary of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, the new world which is waiting to manifest is right here, it's waiting at the gates. All it requires is for us to make the effort to reach out and to receive what is trying to manifest. And these are extraordinary gifts which belong to humanity, which are meant for us, not just for our future, but in our present. It's only the future because we are busy living in the past. If we simply make the correction of beginning to live for the future in the present, then everything is waiting for us, including the necessary technological knowledge, the sciences and even other deeper I would say occult, what is occult to us but which is to be the revealed knowledge for the future, it's all there waiting. There are conscious beings who represent this knowledge and these powers who are waiting to serve humanity and all that is just waiting for us. If only we choose to break away from the past and live for the future now. And that was what Mother wanted us to do here. You remember for the ashram she said and then for Auroville. She said, I don't want you to repeat what others are doing, because they are already doing it. What's the point? You must try to do what others do not believe is possible, they cannot imagine is possible. That's what we should be imagining and trying to do and so she was always working for the future, living in the future and we should do that now.

Narad (0:34:10):
Savitri says let us go back to this new world which is changed but still the same and that is this. Now the question here is, if time travel is possible, how does it affect our reality? Can we go back in time and prevent the assassination of John F. Kennedy or 9-11 for example? It is an interesting question.

Sraddhalu (0:34:38):
But is time travel possible? That's the question we have to first ask. Is it even possible? So we have to understand the levels of reality. At a physical level what is done moves into the past. We are living in the present and there's a future which is unformed, there's a past which has receded. But associated with the past are all the possibilities which could have worked out. Associated with the present are all the possibilities which tried to happen but couldn't and associated with the future is all those things trying to happen which might or might not. And so if you look at the big picture of all these possibilities in the one Brahman, they all coexist in the Brahman. So if you shift out from the most dense material plane a few grades up, even in the subtle physical you can access things of the past, view them and even experience them as if they are happening now, except that you don't know whether it is the thing which actually happened or the thing which tried to happen and this is the point Mother makes about seeing into the past. It's difficult to distinguish unless you have the deeper spiritual sensitivity, discrimination, intuitive discrimination or psychic discrimination to make out what was the thing which happened or what were the strong impulses which tried to happen and so leave an impression, because you have already moved a grade off from the physical. And the higher you go, the more fluid you are perceiving things and the more possibilities you see both for the future as well as for the past. So if you have a means to semi-dematerialize yourself, let's say a few grades off, as many of these devices do when they travel great distances, then you have also the access to the past or even to perceptions of the future. But they remain in the domain of possibilities which were there as strong imprints, even for the future. But you're not changing the physical reality. You cannot go back into that which happened to modify it,if you go in that plane then you're only experiencing things on that plane off from the physical you cannot change the physical reality of what happened so that's part of the difficulty of worthlessness of being able to go into the past, you can't really change on a physical level, but of course you can experience many things and play with those realities. What is possible though, and this is part of the interesting possibilities for the future, once something has been, even in the past, it leaves an imprint. And if some of it exists even in the subtle physical domain or in the vital worlds, one can bring it back into materialisation in the present. So it's even possible for us to rekindle, reawaken the dinosaur which is now extinct or the mammoth which is extinct by a physical mechanism through genetics but by an occult mechanism by a kind of materialisation. But these things will be of course experimented with in the future.

Narad (0:38:03):
Do we not live in the future now? Because the present is immediately gone in every moment.

Sraddhalu (0:38:05):
Yes. And the moment the future reaches us, it's gone also, it's no more the future…Yes. But we have to say, when you consider the future, you have to shift out from the physical world. In the physical world, you are in a very narrow point of the now but as you move into the subtle physical you are able to experience the tendencies of the future and as you move a little further off, you experience much more fluidly all the other tendencies and so this is what happens during dream. When you go in dream and wander into higher planes, you see possibilities of what might happen. They don't normally always happen because many things change. But as you come back from your deep sleep, just before waking, you are closest to the physical domain. If you glimpse an event happening, then it is already close enough to the material and is likely to happen. And that's why they say in the yoga tradition that dreams which you have early in the morning, they are likely to come true. Why? Because that's the level closest to the material, which you passed through and so they are close enough to acquire a fixity to make it happen. But even there you can intervene, for example you see an accident and then you wake up, if you go there and you find the accident situation beginning to form as you saw in the dream, you can still intervene and prevent the accident, but you had already reached a point where the forces coalesced that the tendency had become vivid enough and fixed enough. So what does the future mean? it means here all these possibilities of energies, forces, powers engaged or bound into their karmic or other knots and dependencies which are trying to fructify and become more and more concrete. You can release new forces into it, to modify, to redirect from a negative to a positive direction and that's part of the work which we have to do, in our thought, in our emotions. What we put out acts on the future. In our physical actions we are bound to the present, you can't act in the future because you can't touch the future. But in our thoughts and emotions, everything you feel and think is spreading out and enters as forces for the future. And we have to put out positive thoughts, positive emotions for the future, align ourselves in consciousness to that future which we aspire for.

Narad (0:40:39):
In these billions of people on this planet, are there none who are currently working in these areas of free energy?

Sraddhalu (0:40:53):
There are lots of people. There are lots of people who are interested. Some who have worked on it also with some interesting results. Inevitably they tend to be cagey about what they have done or what they are doing. Or they just fade out for some reason, which may be simply they were threatened. I have attended certain conferences where I met with people who are interested and keen in the field and generally I found that they were not very strong in the deeper physics of it and the biggest problem is they don't have a physical framework in which to be able to explain how the energy is tapped and that framework we find in Sri Aurobindo's writings or in the Vedic framework from which the physics can be derived. Sri Aurobindo had extraordinary knowledge of this of which he wrote very little though. There is one text which earlier was published as it was just titled, The first rik of the Rig Veda, where Sri Aurobindo comments upon it. And there he describes how Agni operates on seven levels, there are seven kinds of Agni and he describes the working in the physical plane and then on each of the planes with the specific terms in Sanskrit used in the way Veda for those levels and their operations and then he explains how it relates to Vayu and Indra and things like that and then having described this, he says in terms of physics, it means this and the electrical forces in the Sun represent that, and the corona of the Sun represents this, etc and in psychological terms it represents this and when he describes the physical part, he says right or wrong this is the physics of the Veda. And it's amazing statement because he's just telling you, this is what it is and he doesn't care whether you call it right or wrong, this is the physics of the Veda. Obviously he gives to it greater credibility than current physics. So he had extraordinary knowledge of this whole field. Unfortunately it was not tapped or perhaps he chose not to reveal because it might be premature but the fundamental principles of it he has given because they span across all these domains. So even as he is describing spiritual or psychological principles, once you have this key, you can also see how it translates into the physical domain. And he has given you enough that we can actually rebuild the Vedic physics with technological implications. But I have not found anybody who has this background. People exploring yes, but much of it is their experimentation in the blind without understanding fully what is the principle but once you get the principle you can move very rapidly to much more precise and even dramatic results. I would want this research to be done in Auroville and in the Ashram. We are meant to be working for the future, what others do not think possible we should be working on, isn't it?

Narad (0:44:04):
Mother said that she would be happy to meet one of these beings. Why aren't we meeting them? If they can travel and reach us, are they hiding from us?

Sraddhalu (0:44:16):
But they have been meeting us, yes. And the documentation of this is extraordinary. One person who has compiled extensively all the documentation and investigated all the cases of people meeting beings from other planets is Wendell Stevens and he has more than 60 books, each book documenting such cases and it is so richly documented, so compelling in the evidence. There are others who have also documented, just because of the quality of photographs they have. I mentioned earlier George Adamski, who was one who had extraordinary photos, such clear and detailed that you couldn't fake it in the 50s. And subsequently in Switzerland, one Billy Meyer was having regular contact with crafts which would come into his area and he had a whole group of people that he would inform. We have an appointment, they will be coming around this time. So the group would go into the hills and wait with their cameras ready, film as well as still photos and when the flying saucers would come they would be going click, click, click. And you can see in those films as well as photos, below on the highway the cars which are going by and then the flying saucer moving around and then doing extraordinary movements like that, jumping around some of them come very close, move around a tree and you can see the tree moving violently in closeness of it and occasionally you have a Swiss military jet which comes and chases the flying saucer and in one of the videos you can see the jet comes, the flying saucer blinks out and appears elsewhere in the next frame. So you have a film frame that's shooting at 1 25th of a second, within 1 25th of a second it vanishes here and appears there in the next frame. And then he has also transcribed all these conversations with the beings from those saucers.
[Narad] So they would come down to earth?
[Sraddhalu] They would meet with him and you would have conversations which he has documented extensively he would ask them how did you manage to do this and they discuss some of their capabilities. One of the capabilities they have is this ability to cloak, to hide themselves in a way that somebody from below would not be able to see. And they make it available to be visible only in a particular direction or they can cloak completely and you would not be able to know that they are there. If you had special instruments you could register a shift in the magnetic field or electric field and you would know something strong is here but you cannot see it. So that is one of those technologies that they have developed. There is still one question which we have not touched. How do you travel such a great distance? Because physics says you cannot go faster than light, remember? And that's only Einstein's physics, where he removed the ether. When you remove the ether, remember ether in physics was the medium in which light was a wave. You remove the medium, what is light then? It cannot be a wave anymore, it has to become a particle. And yet it is a wave. So you end up with a wave-particle duality where the truth of life is it's a wave in the ether. Only you say the ether doesn't exist so your measurements now have to presume it's a particle, because you can't have a wave without a medium but your experiments show it's a wave but you have to assume it's a particle and you end up with this wave-particle duality which is fake. The reality is it's a wave.

Sraddhalu (0:48:04):
Sri Aurobindo pokes fun at this in Savitri. When everything seemed almost as if reality had been discovered, everything falls back and becomes a wave particle, dance of particles and things like that. Some passage which is... But then he says, he shows you two models of physics. The clockwork model, mechanically, which is dropped and then you have the quantum model which becomes this chance which also has to drop and then he says this will give way to a greater science and that's the science we have to work for but coming back to this whole story how do you move fast if there is an ether, then the whole basis for light is different and there is no practical limit to speed. If you remove the ether then light exists as a particle in a vacuum and space and time have to bend to maintain the speed of light. It's the only thing which is not relative because everything else depends on a medium. So you have warped reality and you put an artificial speed limit. You bring back the ether and light speed is one of those variables. It's a relative speed, independent on this local medium of the ether. And just as a plane can go faster than the speed of sound in the air, so too a spacecraft can go faster than the speed of light in the ether. It's exactly the same analogy, similar technology, only instead of operating with aeronautics, you are operating with etherics and then you can go faster than thee.

[Narad] What effect would it have on the human body?

[Sraddhalu] Practically none, you would hardly feel anything because although moving at that high speed, there is the effective isolation from the sense of inertia. In fact the saucer will rapidly accelerate and you will feel nothing. This is in fact the experience of people who have boarded flying saucers, George Adamski being one of them. They enter it and then they feel a slight lightness and then they look through the airport hole and they have moved away from the earth, already it's that fast, but they just felt slightly light, a slight shift, momentarily hardly felt and with this technology you can go enormous distances much faster than light but still it takes time. ut there is a further technology which we have alluded to from the mother's observation that you are able to shift out of the gross physical into a subtle physical layer and from there you can move much faster or there may not be a sense of movement at all, you basically tune into a higher grade and then tune back at a different location. And it's like the teleportation of a physical object which also we have discussed earlier when you materialise and dematerialize. So you can dematerialise and rematerialise and there is no sense of travel at all, but you are there in an instant. The only time required is the time to dematerialise and rematerialise. But all of this is available to us as a humanity as part of our imminent future. If only we can make the necessary efforts to break free from the stranglehold of the past and move to the future.

Narad (0:51:33):
I have a question here. Dr. Steven Greer says that the extraterrestrials are more developed technologically, socially and spiritually than us. And says that we can contact them via meditation. He has been taught by extraterrestrials, the CE5 protocol, close encounter of the fifth kind. How does it work?

Sraddhalu (0:51:59):
You know what are the close encounters of the first kind, second kind, third kind, fourth kind? Well, the fifth kind is where you call them and they respond. There's this famous movie, that's where this vocabulary comes from.
[Narad] Oh yes, Spielberg's movie. Spielberg's movie.
[Sraddhalu] Close encounters, that was of the third kind, right? Of the third kind, yes, where you have a physical contact. The first and second kind are where you see at a distance, but you don't have one-on-one contact.

Narad (0:52:28):
I didn't think much of that movie until the very end and it was an incredible ending. Extraordinary.

Sraddhalu (0:52:34):
Through many such movies, there has been an attempt to prepare humanity for the reality of these things. The initial portion of the movie is that typical Hollywood, you will use the word masala movie, you know, little bit of spicy and excitement, but then the point of the movie was the point of contact with the civilization which is so much more developed technologically. But that's not enough, you may be technologically developed but still egoistically rooted and if that was the case then if their goal was to dominate the earth, they would have done it already. But if they are coming in this way and warning us or helping us trying to help us through dangerous passage, it's because they have outgrown that and are respectful of our freedom and want to engage on the level of equality with a higher degree, we may say of spirituality, because at least they have transcended the crude ego. How much more they have grown in consciousness is to be seen, but again there might be many levels of species in their evolution but what we do see in many of the close encounters that people have had one-on-one, that many of them seem to be telepathic that they can sense your thoughts and respond even without your speaking, which shows a higher grade of mental development, you have moved into the more intuitive consciousness and are able to communicate without needing words or even to project certain ideas. And so the physical technological development is an independent process from the consciousness process. As far as our human beings are concerned on earth, our technology has moved faster than our consciousness and we need to catch up. But if consciousness grows sufficiently, then of course even technology can be assisted from a higher consciousness and even we will be given higher knowledge to develop the technology more rapidly so that it can be suitable for our current consciousness state. I do believe this is possible for us even in little pockets.

Audience (0:54:44):
But is it dangerous, this growth of technology being great?

Sraddhalu (0:54:48):
It is enormously dangerous, that is the problem we have. Because we have reached for example the stage of nuclear weapons, but consciousness wise we are still fighting as if we would with sticks and stones or blows except now you have missiles and weapons so you don't need the physical hand, you push a button and kill the other fellow while killing yourself indirectly in the process, but you don't care because you're driven by the anger or hatred etc. So having a higher technology for a lower consciousness is extremely dangerous.

Audience (0:55:21):
So in a way can it be the nature's way of suppressing the... I mean... Nature's way of controlling the technological growth because the consciousness is not responding.

Sraddhalu (0:55:32):
Absolutely. So this is a very important point. Nature will try to ensure that we do not prematurely develop a technology which could be harmful for us but what does that mean? Who is nature? Or through whom does she work? So we can say literally there are beings who look after these things, whose job it is to ensure, to help in growth of science or technology or knowledge or to pull back where necessary if it is going too fast. And I mentioned earlier about Nikola Tesla recognizing that he had gone ahead of his time and choosing to pull back because he was one of those persons who had that connection with the inner world and he knew he had crossed that threshold, he willingly backed off. But if someone goes too fast, too far then there will be forces converging to prevent and even to destroy, if necessary. But finally though we are always at a balancing point. If you hold back too much, then we stay stuck where we are. It's by allowing a little bit of the danger of the new technology which forces our consciousness to rise up because it's so ridiculous to use nuclear weapons that we don't want to do it even though we have to struggle with the urge. And so as a humanity there's always this very fine balance. Sri Aurobindo refers to two inventions which were premature, before their time and which were therefore also misused. And one is cinema and the other is telephone. Interesting. It's interesting to see the implications, what they did to humanity and in what way it was premature. Mother wanted cinema to be used for assisting the lifting up of consciousness, the growth of consciousness. What you see today is pretty much the opposite mostly.

[Narad] We'll take a few minutes break.