EWS #30: Mother on flying saucers, life is everywhere (1)

Mar 23, 2019

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Narad (0:00:00):
Good afternoon and welcome to our continuing series, Evenings with Sraddhalu. We have many things today. Questions and answers. This was asked to the Mother. Are there really any beings on Jupiter or Mars? The Mother says, for me, if you ask me, there are beings everywhere, everywhere. One doesn't see them, that's all. But they are everywhere. But I certainly don't think they are like what we see in the pictures.
[Sraddhalu] In the movies, that's what she means, cinema.

Narad (0:00:53):
In the cinema. The Martians you were shown in the pictures with grotesque forms. I have no reason to think that they are like that. Then you want to comment on that or shall I read two things?
[Sraddhalu] read the questions.
[Narad] Questions. Have you heard the story of the flying saucer. Ah yes, I have studied it also. However I was waiting to have a physical experience. I indeed saw a flying saucer pass over Pondicherry during the war. I saw it clearly, with open eyes, and going fairly slowly, coming from the sea to the land. It was light blue, and had a slightly rounded shape like this. I saw it passing by and said to myself, why I have a vision. I rubbed my eyes but my eyes were open, completely open. Suddenly I saw a form passing in the sky like this. I told myself how strange it is. But as no one has spoken about it till then, I thought that I had a vision. I see many things which people ordinarily don't see. But when people started speaking about this, then I said to myself, why? I have seen a flying saucer pass by. But I think Udar also has seen a flying saucer. And Udar says, yes, Mother. That it exists is unquestionable. What is it? Each one has his opinion. But what I would like is to find myself face to face with the beings as they have been described. There is someone who has supposedly... Anyway, he said that he has spoken to a being who was in a flying saucer. Well, I would be very happy to meet a being like that. After that, I shall tell you what it is when I have met it. So this is the first part.

Sraddhalu (0:03:51):
Well, the background to that last comment where she says that there is someone who spoke to a being from a flying saucer is a reference to George Adamski. He was an American who had contact with beings from flying saucers, not once but several times. A lot of it was documented. He has some of the most impressive photographs of the flying saucers as they are above the ground when he goes to meet those beings and later when they come over to his house, he takes really close photographs. They are of exceptional clarity and undoubtedly could not be replicated. They had no computer graphics and other methods in those days.

Narad (0:04:35):
But did he have a picture of the people?

Sraddhalu (0:04:37):
He was not allowed to take pictures of the people but he has descriptions of them. He does have one of the photos where there is a cigar shaped craft and through the window you can see a head but it is too blurred to be able to make out the form, but the reference is I know that Mother is referring to that because the book which described this with those photos was given to the mother and subsequently came to the ashram library and I saw that whole thing. So what is important with this whole narration is Mother was not sure whether it was a physical thing which others could see or whether it was something that she was seeing on a different level because in fact many of these crafts, although being physical, can also operate at a level which is close to the subtle physical to make themselves invisible to us. So they can tune out so to say of the gross physical, semi dematerialize themselves. So the whole materialisation process if we understand or dematerialization process there are gradations of dematerialization. There's a level of dematerialization where you can still see the form but your hand will go right through or there's a slightly different kind of dematerialization where you will be able to touch it, but you won't be able to see it and so at that point it can touch you, it can interact with you but you still can't see it. So you could have a flying saucer sitting just above your head and you probably wouldn't know but you might feel strange, there must be something, someone is watching me but you won't be able to see it. Of course if you dematerialize further then you can neither touch nor see and yet if it's close enough they can see you. This is what happens at the time just after death when you have shed the gross physical body and you're in the subtle physical body. At that point you can see everybody around but they can't see you and you can even interact to a limited degree with material things. So the technology that is involved in the flying saucers, in most of them not all, they have the capacity to dematerialize to a certain degree and that's why Mother was not sure in that case whether everybody else was able to see it also. This is something very interesting because if we accept that there is life everywhere in the universe. Let's say, if we accept what Sri Aurobindo has to say about the relationship between matter and life force, then we will conclude that there is life everywhere in the universe. Because all matter is nothing but condensation of prana. And prana being bound and mind consciousness being bound in matter, its impulse is to emerge. So wherever there is matter, there will be evolution wherever there is evolution, it will follow the same sequence of life in matter and then mind in life.

Narad (0:07:43):
But this is interesting because Mother says that only earth has the evolution. So can you clarify that?

Sraddhalu (0:07:52):
Yes, the problem with that word earth is, we don't know whether at that moment you have to see the context, are they speaking of earth plane as distinct from higher gradations of consciousness as the vital worlds and mental worlds? Then only the earth plane, that is the physical world has evolution. And Sri Aurobindo has a long explanation for why. Because in matter all the other levels of consciousness are bound in the form. And so they can break out and emerge and so you have evolution. But if you go in the vital plane or the mental plane, you have growth, but not evolution in this sense. You grow within the type of each of these planes. That's why they are called typal worlds. But earth here is used to mean only the physical plane. But if you accept that principle, then everywhere that there is an earth, a planet which can harbour life, there is evolution taking place.

Narad (0:08:46):
He speaks and Mother speaks of the gods as being typal. And if they want to make a progress, they have to take a human body.

Sraddhalu (0:08:58):
So beings of the higher vital world or mental worlds, they have to come into the physical experience in order to have that kind of evolution where a higher power emerges from a lower power. That's the whole essence of evolution. But within their type, they can of course grow in power, grow in skill and capacity. That's not evolution in this sense. So that's a different discussion. But the discussion here is of matter itself. And everywhere that there is matter, there will be some kind of life emerging out of it. Now once you accept this, the implications are extraordinary. It means that even in what would be considered a hostile environment for our body, life can emerge. Planets which are too hot for us, life could grow, too cold for us, life could still grow, and the evidence for this now is coming up in a lot of recent research, where we find at the bottom of the ocean where there is no oxygen, there is too much salt, there is enormous pressure, there is a vent of a volcano which is releasing enormous quantities of sulphur and heat, the water is practically boiling. There you find not only bacteria thriving but you find little creatures which are formed, worm-like, coral-like, fish-like, some of them are completely blind and it means you do not need sunlight, you do not need oxygen, you do not need the conventional body temperatures, you take those fish out and bring them to the surface, they die of cold, but they live, thrive in a pressure which is so great our bodies would be crushed and we would suffocate, which shows you straightaway that life is possible anywhere. The conventional idea which you are taught in textbooks that life needs to be in this band of temperature is wrong. That's the form in which life developed on earth because the earth's temperature range was this. But on earth where it is too hot or too cold, life has still emerged and survives within its narrow band of that temperature. So even in the coldest regions of the earth, we find there are bacteria which grow and there are other single celled creatures which are plant-like which grow and plankton which can survive. Now we are discovering that even certain bacteria and viruses can traverse through space on an asteroid and they come into the earth environment and they can get activated and be living. Once you take them out of the environment they go into a kind of a semi-crystalline state and survive through empty space until they hit another planet and then again they grow. So our concept of life now has to go closer to what the Mother says, life is everywhere. But then she says it's not like they show in the cinema. There they they show these grotesque forms. Some of it is intended to create fear of extraterrestrial beings in humanity and it is intentionally done unfortunately, when in fact we should have been saying the opposite that we should enter in a positive relation with life forms.

Sraddhalu (0:12:21):
So the book she is referring to of Adamski is the one where Adamski meets a being who looks just like us, indistinguishable from us. If he had not declared himself to be coming from another planet, he would not have known it. But in other, I have subsequently read other descriptions of Adamski with those beings, but also people who were living with Adamski who met those beings later on, and they described the being as capable of telepathic contact. He could read their minds and know what they were thinking or feeling. He was extremely sensitive to human vibrations. Obviously more spiritually evolved than mass of humanity. Maybe that is an exception. Maybe there are equally beings of a lower grade of evolution. But many of those who come to the earth through these vehicles have a higher grade of evolution and they are here more out of concern and sometimes curiosity to see what we do. And many of these visitations increased after human beings began to explode atom bombs, for two reasons, first because it has the potential to destroy life on earth itself and not just by the explosion, but by the release of some of the atomic fallout from the explosions, which have an extremely destructive character to life all over the world. That is one reason, but also that the shock of the atom bomb has an impact on other planets and even on the Sun and because of the nature of the atomic explosion, it ripples out well beyond even our solar system and they were concerned for the harm that we could do to their own balance in the larger solar system itself. So these are preliminary observations which I could make about life.
[Narad] Have you ever had a contact?
[Sraddhalu] I have seen a flying saucer, I have seen several in fact, but two types broadly. One is at night where over Pondicherry we could see like a half circle of lights. So it's not a plane, planes are blinking lights and blue red typically, one in front, one side typically and they move in a straight line. This was in half circle of white light, silent, moving just across and that's it. I have not seen it make certain moves and this was always at night and this I have seen on many occasions. For a while some of my friends, we would lie down on the terrace and stay for hours waiting for these things while we were in the school. But then I saw something else which was about 20 years ago, it was in broad daylight. I was on my moped coming down a crowded street on Nehru street and we were coming to the traffic lights and because at that time I was tuned in to that idea I would frequently look up at the sky and out of habit I looked up and there was this huge what they call cigar shaped craft. It's a bright silver cylinder, no sharp edges, completely smooth, polished and massive. So visually if you see like this into the sky, it would be that big but very high up. So massive if I had to estimate it will be at least half a kilometre or maybe one kilometre. It's difficult to estimate distance but it was massive. Completely silent and static. So I'm in the traffic, I look up and then with shock I brake and I stop and I keep steering and behind me all the vehicles start honking like crazy, nobody bothers to look up. In today's mindset I would have said stop and look up and I'm sure the whole traffic would have been interested, but at that time I was too surprised and shocked, so after a few seconds when the traffic was too noisy behind, I said okay let me just turn around the corner and then watch it. So I turned the moped, stopped there and when I looked up it had gone. I saw some other people on terraces pointing to the sky but I suppose it had moved off. So yes.

Narad (0:16:41):
This is from Mother's agenda...

Sraddhalu (0:16:44):
I have met people though, who have met not only seen but met beings from the flying saucer. So one of my friends grew up in Africa and he has a very clear memory. He was at that time a teenager. He was 14, 15 and they were playing in their playground and they saw this silver shaped disc coming silently. It landed and then some beings came out, humanoid, human looking. They had one piece suit, no stitches and very friendly, smiling, but they were shorter than the children. So remember, 14 year old boy and these beings were shorter, they came up to them and the children tried to converse with them, but nothing particular, they could not understand each other and they were just nice, happy, curious beings and then they went back, got into their craft and flew off. So he was 14 so the memory was vivid enough, even today he is able to recall that. So there have been many incidents of this kind all over the world. Literally in the thousands and sometimes every year in the thousands, that people meet beings of this kind. And the common features are unavoidable. That there is a craft which flies with no sound at all. They have a means of neutralising gravity. And the beings are of different kinds though, some taller, some shorter, some variations but always humanoid, one head, two arms, two legs, but always looking reasonably normal, human-like.
[Narad] Friendly?
[Sraddhalu] friendly always. You see, if you have a craft that can neutralise gravity, if you were unfriendly you could have done whatever you wanted. We do not have the means to defend ourselves. In fact there is a famous incident which is called, even today referred to which took place in Los Angeles in 1942, this was during the Second World War that a flying saucer, flying disc came from over the water hovered over the city. It stayed in the same place for nearly 3-4 hours during which time the military was shooting it with guns and not a single bullet touched it and after that a series of flying saucers came, in the hundreds literally, from the sea made a 90 degree turn went back and possibly they were circulating back and forth. So we don't know actual numbers, but it went on for a couple of hours, documented, photographed, and of course the US government went into a huddle over it because they viewed it as a threat, they were not sure if it was coming from the enemy during the Second World War, and they said well if such a technology exists we need to have it, and so it appears one of those crafts might have been shot down, but that's not so well documented, but they started a project immediately to try to reverse engineer the technology and to acquire similar capacity capabilities. And remember that was the time when they had the Manhattan Project to build the atom bomb. It was kept so secret that thousands of people working at it, nobody knew what was being done. A similar project was started to reverse engineer these technologies. And today, in popular lore people speak of Area 51 which is one of those bases where this kind of testing was done and the technology was experimented with.

Narad (0:20:16):
They didn't succeed I think.

Sraddhalu (0:20:17):
They did succeed. Yes, and there are people who have been part of those projects who have subsequently subsequently come forward, described what they have seen, what they have done and not only that, they subsequently shot down many other flying saucers. So this is the nastiness of human beings. Here is a visitor coming, instead of being friendly, let's grab their technology, shoot them down and recover the crashed saucers. And then trying to reverse engineer but they found many kinds of technologies, so not all of them were easily replicable. But people who have worked on these technologies have subsequently come forward and openly spoken about it, documenting their experiences. Also, over certain bases in the US, people have photographed similar devices floating, flying, generally at night, so what you see with a disc-shaped saucer which goes straight up, it can go zigzag up and down because it's countered gravity. So these kinds of crafts have been photographed over Area 51 and certain other bases which are associated with testing of crafts at night, but also in daytime. And in daytime there are many other crafts, not only the disc type but also triangular shaped craft and they are all hovering or going out from US Air Force bases. And so you know that this is part of a technology which is kept away from civilian world but it has been developed, it has been replicated.

Narad (0:21:50):
This is from Mother's Agenda, 7th October 1964.

Narad (0:21:55):
"But according to what people tell me who listen to the radio or read the newspapers, none of which I do, the whole world is undergoing an action which for the moment is unsettling. It seems that a number of apparently mad people is increasing considerably. In America, for instance, all the youth seems to be seized with a kind of curious giddiness, which for reasonable people would be disquieting, but which is a sure indication that an uncommon force is at work. It is the disruption of all habits and all rules. It's good. For the moment, it's a bit strange, but it's necessary. The action isn't limited, that is, it's probably limited to the Earth, although manifestations from other planets or other worlds seem to be multiplying too, and there have been experiences lately, rather curious ones". Satprem asks, "other physical planets?". "Physical, yes, physical. I don't know if you've heard this, it's something P told me. She was still in Switzerland and shortly before she came back here, she had a vision. She was in her home, simply meditating, and she had a vision, and in her vision, she saw five big luminous cigars going past like this, slowly, one behind the other, in single file. When she woke up, she wondered what it was, and a few days later, maybe the next day, or the day after, I don't know, she read in a newspaper the account of people in southern France, I don't remember in which part, who saw above the sea five luminous cigars go by in single file, exactly the same colour as those she had seen, but in their case, they saw it with their physical eyes. So that seems interesting, it was clearly a phenomenon of a subtle physical order in its origin, or material vital in its origin, but which manifested physically and which may very well have come from other planets that are a little more subtle than Earth. There are many other experiences. This one I remember clearly. The action is widespread".

Sraddhalu (0:24:54):
Which year was that?

[Narad] 1964.

Sraddhalu (0:25:01):
And Mothers observing how all over the world, this breaking down of systems and order, which she saw necessary for the old world to break down to make way for something more flexible of the new consciousness to organise itself. How do we see it breaking down in young people? It's there just in the form of rebellion where they refuse to follow the old systems unless it makes sense. But also even if it makes sense they want to find their own way, find their own truth and the kind of subjectivism which Sri Aurobindo spoke of. But as you said, it's all good but in between in the transition it's a bit disorienting. But the observations about the crafts themselves being seen and the phrase she uses slightly more subtle matter is very suggestive. [Narad] And the cigar shape, luminous.
[Sraddhalu] So the flying saucers as discs when they're seen in daytime, we see them as silvery discs or silvery cigar shaped and at night they are glowing and this has to do with the mechanism of propulsion, it uses very high voltages which go in to the millions of volts as the means by which they are able to not only neutralise gravity but also propel themselves at very high speeds and far more than anything we can conceive of, but they can accelerate in an instant and go zigzag with very sharp turns without any of the phenomenon associated with which we have of inertia. So if you take a plane which is from the conventional air force and you make it do a very sharp turn, you can't make it go zigzag. That's because it's aerodynamic. It has to use air as its on the wings as its way of navigation. But these things don't need air. They have defeated aerodynamics. They go by other means. But even if our plane had to turn very sharp, the momentum is so intense that the blood is pulled by the centrifugal force. The blood is drained from the brain into the feet. If you are turning sharply like that and you black out. And that is just at 2 or 3 Gs, 2 or 3 times the gravitational field in intensity. So they have special suits that they have to wear, which immediately tighten around the legs to prevent the blood from sinking. And the hands become so heavy you can barely move the joystick and these crafts they go zigzag at things which hit like 10 G's, 20 G's, they go at kilometres per second and make a sharp 90 degree turn. So they've obviously been able to neutralise inertia of matter and one of the ways they do that is by moving slightly out of the gross physical into what I discussed earlier about the semi-subtle physical grade. It's still material, you can still touch it but shifting one level up it does not have the same kind of inertia as this matter and there are other ways also by which you can neutralise inertia which have to do with the electric field which they use, which allows it as if to isolate itself from all influence outside and become as a self-contained unit. And so the whole basis of the technology is so different that nothing in our existing knowledge, in public knowledge, can explain their behaviour.

Narad (0:28:48):
I have a story of a friend of mine, you undoubtedly knew him because he lived to 100 years of age here in the ashram, Dimitri Von Mohrenschildt. When he came to the ashram, at the suggestion of Eleanor Montgomery, he was disgusted with everything he saw. He couldn't stand the uniforms of the children, couldn't stand all these departments and everything. He said, I'm leaving. So Elenor said to him, at least see the Mother. And he said, all right, I'll go and see her. And she said, go to the tennis ground, she'll be playing today. He went at the edge of it, he didn't even go in, he was at the edge of the tennis ground. And Mother's hitting the ball, and suddenly she stops and looks at him, and he said, Narad, I rose 3 feet in the air, physically. Now, Mother could do that. He defied gravity. Yes.

Audience (0:29:46):
Regarding the other planets and all, there is a message of Mother in Words of the Mother, page 368. Words of the mother, Vol one. It says, in the whole creation, the earth has a place of distinction because unlike any other planet it is evolutionary with a psychic entity at its centre. India in particular is a divinely chosen country and it doesn't have any asterisk or those marks which are for reported comments. Maybe if you go to the archives we can see the actual manuscript. I was actually remembering this when you said this. She says, I repeat, 'In the whole creation, the earth has a place of distinction because unlike any other planet, it is evolutionary with a psychic entity at its centre. And in it, India is in particular a divinely chosen country.

Sraddhalu (0:30:37):
So that is a different discussion where Mother is explaining that on our physical planet earth, the focus of the evolution is to develop the individualised psychic being as a prime driver of evolution. It need not be the case for every other planet. Just as she explains for the physical earth, for all the nations, India is a special focal point in which all the problems of all the types of humanity are brought together and experimented upon with the spiritual culture and influence, to be then spread in the world. So too she says the earth is like a focal point in the universe. For this experiment of individualised psychic being as the prime driver of evolution. You will see in the Life Divine, Sri Aurobindo speaks of a different kind of evolution which is possible which is not driven by the individualised psychic being but by a more collective consciousness of the species and it would not be too different from what we see among many animals where the collective identity is stronger than the individual identity. There is a group soul which is stronger than the individual soul and so on. And this in fact is the observation, for from many of the people who have had contact with beings from other planets that they often found within them, this kind of a group identity which was stronger than an individual identity and for them to observe what's happening on earth is fascinating, because they see earth as or humanity as a species which is so different from them because it is so individualised. So on the one hand if we look at them we will see such simple easy order, because they have a group consciousness, they can work together spontaneously like the bees or ants working together effortlessly because it's one consciousness more strong holding it together. On the other hand, for them to look at earth, they see so much chaos, so much individualization, they find it strange. But they are fascinated by this also, just as we would be fascinated by their time.

Audience (0:32:52):
So it means earthly evolution is not the only kind of progress, there are other kinds of progress also.

Sraddhalu (0:32:58):
Yes, so it is not in those many of those species there is not that individualised progress but again we have to understand these are all very general statements. Within their species also there might be individualised pockets but that's not the dominant theme on earth the dominant theme is the psychic individualization everywhere, whereas on other planets there may be group consciousness in some places, occasionally individually developed psychic beings but primarily group driven etc., which is what you see on earth. If you recall, Mother made this observation about the Chinese coming from the moon and she said when the moon became too cold to support life then they shifted to the earth and one of the characteristics that she had noted at that time was that there was this collective consciousness which was stronger there was not the individualised psychic being and then she said afterwards that whole thing changed with the war. So the point still remains, you can have many kinds of evolutionary development but there's something unique for the earth and once this becomes sufficiently perfected, it will have its ripple effect in the universe. So Mother gives to earth a special place. Now it's tempting for us if you're sceptical to think, 'oh yes, we all want to think we are more special', but the rationale of it that she gives is not only very compelling but the evidence of people having met and having contact with other beings is also justifying and validating her observations.

Audience (0:34:37):
She even says that the gods, they do progress if they take on a human body.

Sraddhalu (0:34:42):
Yes, that is to do with planes from above, then they have to incarnate on a physical plane but they could be on other planets also for evolution, but if they want to have the individualised psychic experience, earth is the more likely place for that evolution. But coming back to your observation about Dimitri, he felt himself lifted up floating, it could have been his subtle physical, more than the gross physical, but it was so dense and yes, Mother could do that. There is another incident which is worth sharing. She wanted to send a packet of books as a gift to the King of Nepal. And they took it to the post office and they said it is too big, you have to cut it into two. And when it was reported to Mother, Mother said 'no, you cannot have that', and she asked the books to be brought back. You remember, when she is sending books, she is not sending just books, she is sending a force. If it was split, it would have meant the splitting of Nepal so she could not allow that, it has a symbolic character involved so she asked for the books to be brought, so the bundle was placed before her and she concentrated for a moment, she asked what is the weight that they can send, so she was told the actual number, she concentrated for a while on the books and then said, 'now, you take it back to the post office and weigh again', they took it and it fitted exactly the weight that was required and then it was shipped to him. Now here is a physical bundle of books, all she had to do was concentrate and reduce its weight to match whatever she wanted.
[Audience] How could that be done?
[Sraddhalu] Exactly Exactly! So here you can dismiss the whole thing of as ok, spiritual power, occult power, you explain nothing, you just say power. But if it can be done to a physical object there has to be a physical mechanism by which you can replicate that process. Anything that consciousness can do to a material object, one can do through some process of nature equally. So what this shows you is, okay you can do it by consciousness directly easily, but you can also do it by other means to reduce the weight and so then that gets into a whole domain of what exactly makes for inertia or weight, what is the nature of gravity and if you can recognize that it is finally has to do with the ether as the underlying substance. Then it is possible to intervene technologically to make any object lighter or heavier.

Sraddhalu (0:37:30):
So will give another incident from the mother when she took Kumud Ben as her personal assistant. Kumud Ben was a young girl I think she was barely 18 or something like that she had just completed maybe 20. So Mother took her in as a personal assistant, gave her first some basic instructions, showed her where things were and then Kumud Ben narrated this to us. She said, then suddenly Mother stopped and looked at her and said, if I fall, can you lift me? And before Kumud could answer, Mother said, you know, I can make myself heavy as a stone or light as a feather and that was all. She didn't wait for an answer. The point is if you can access on that level at a very material level, you can modify inertia or weight of any object. Again once you understand the principle behind that the technology not only can be developed but it is very easy to develop it. It can be easily popularised. In fact something of this knowledge was used in the construction of many of these giant structures like the pyramids, where there are blocks of stone weighing 20 tons, sometimes 200 tons, which were lifted at a great height or cut with such perfect precision. And you would say at that time what kind of technology did they have? Well not only they had basic machines, but they had a lot of this occult power but they had also means by which not just by occult power but means by which they could modify the weight or even soften the stones in order to shape them. That kind of knowledge is still present but not publicly accessible, but it can be rediscovered.

Narad (0:39:15):

I have one more. In the beginning it's pretty much about the luminous cigars and what the extraterrestrials look like.


Sraddhalu (0:39:30):

So that's interesting, Mother makes this observation that everywhere it is the same universal prototype of one head, two arms, two legs and a torso. She speaks of this as the archetype for all mental beings and so anywhere that there is evolution of any type, of any material, as it approaches the mental form it takes on this kind of shape. Now this leads to fascinating insights. Let's say on earth we had so many species, many of them had come close enough to mind, elephants for example, apes, dolphins and many other creatures close enough to mind, that out of any of them the full self-aware human could have emerged. It so happens that on earth it was through the ape. What if on another planet the same emergence takes place to the dolphin or a dolphin type of being or a dog type being or a horse type being. At some point it will be a dolphin emerging into this two arm, two leg, body, head form or a dog emerging. It would have similar instincts just as we have the ape instincts as our dominant animal part. They would have dog instinct or dolphin instinct but with a head of similar shape but with the power of articulation of speech and the fingers developed. Need not be five fingers, it could be four or three or maybe more. And interestingly we do have in many of the cave paintings, beings which are shown with three fingers or sometimes with six fingers and it's not by accident, they are obviously beings either denizens of the earth of a different species or beings from some other planets. Pictures of glowing flying saucers in cave paintings exist, as well as in many of the church paintings from the mediaeval age in Europe. So we have had contact with beings from other planets for a very long time, going back many thousands of years.

Narad (0:41:34):
I have read so much on Mother on the new body. Perhaps you could talk about the new body, because it has that same form.

Sraddhalu (0:41:42):
So Mother speaks of having seen the prototype of the supramental being on the edge of the world of form and formlessness and it had the same five star we say, because head and you have the picture of Leonardo da Vinci with the Vitruvian man, is it called? With two arms and legs like that and the proportions which he tries to capture in the geometry, but something of that type is there which is common and she speaks of it as not having physically at least any gender, psychological types of course are different but then she speaks of the body itself as being much more plastic and the way it functions will be not so dependent on machinery of nature but the direct action of the power of consciousness. I think she has mentioned also of not needing teeth.
[Narad] It would not need food. She said the sexes would be almost similar. No organs, protruding organs.  It's extraordinary. And she's seen that being.
[Sraddhalu] Yes. And so the prototype already exists and out of that or around that the new form will eventually grow. It is to be seen whether it will grow out of the human being in a breakthrough or whether the human will go as far as it can and at some point there will be a projection from above a kind of a materialisation of the new body in a new substance of matter itself, but what this suggests is that the present tissue substance that we have in the body is only as far as the current evolution has taken us. As the consciousness evolves further, the substance of body can become more fine, more conscious, more adaptable and therefore capable of more qualities than physically we have. Think of it this way, our body is made of what? The food that we eat. Let's say eventually that boils down to plant. What is plant made of? Made of the minerals which the plant has taken from the soil. So we are basically physically stone which has been transmuted into plant state and from plant state transmuted into conscious tissue. But if all this transmutation is possible with exact same atoms and molecules, why not it can go further gradations? More subtle, more malleable, more conscious, maybe even revealing certain faculties which are currently not possible here including glow of light. You have many fish for example which give out light or many fireflies. Why cannot the human body in its further emergence in evolution acquire the capacity of a glow of light and very likely that is what will happen, because if you notice always the suggestion is what is the subtle physical carrying that becomes the next shift to take place into the gross physical. Remember evolution or rather transmutation is top down. So the higher consciousness brings its qualities into the lower and awakens in the lower its powers. So the subtle physical has already a kind of a glow, it has a kind of a translucency and as the gross physical becomes more and more of its nature in a more developed consciousness, it would have also a sense of a glow or translucency which is nothing but the condensation of the aura that we already have. So if you think in these terms one can get a sense of where it's going but the basis of it will still be the higher consciousness now settling in and transmuting the material. If this is possible for us, now we are not speaking here yet of the supramental transformation, but just any higher consciousness, is it not possible that on other planets this has already been done? The physical evolution itself could have gone further and maybe even that the beings have shifted out from the gross physical to a subtle physical grade of body substance and live in that grade which is also possible. On our physical earth for example, there are some unusual stories of people going into some mountain caves and seeing a whole city and then coming out and then they can't find it again. Even as for us as close here as the Tiruvannamalai Ramana Ashram, Ramana Maharshi would walk on the sacred hill of Arunachala and he is on record saying that inside that hill there is a whole township with streets and lighting and he said I can see it as clearly as you can see your streets and lighting. Now it's obviously not in some higher subtle world but of a physical domain that he is describing but it may be slightly off from the gross physical. One of those finer gradations of the subtle physical range. Sri Aurobindo speaks of seven gradations within matter itself. If you go a little bit off then already the material is much more plastic and that need not collide with this and there are persistent stories of this kind all around the world of entire communities or even cities inside mountains or inside the earth and they are very likely of this grade that Mother refers to here as slightly more subtle than our gross physical, but if it can be on earth well why not on other planets..

[Narad] Sure. We have a few minutes left.

Sraddhalu (0:47:44):

Yes, I would like to suggest one thing though. Because for many people these ideas will be very new. Just the idea that there is life on other planets, let's say on Mars or on Venus. On Jupiter where circumstances are much less stable, you may not have physical life forms but you will have subtle life forms of other levels altogether. But on Mars and Venus for example, physical life form even of human body surviving there is possible. Now before you say, oh but NASA says, let's look at the evidence. What does NASA say? If you look at Venus, NASA documentation is that it is much too hot hitting 300 degrees or so in the equator so human life is impossible, but the same NASA tells you the polar caps of Venus are permanent ice caps meaning all through the year it's frozen water. Now here on one extreme is frozen water on another extreme is 300 degrees all through the year. There has to be a gradient where the two meet which is in the band of the human comfort all through the year, right? And so there are spots on Venus where human beings could actually go and live. Maybe air may not be of the level of oxygen that you need, you may need to use some kind of a minimum mass but the pressure of air is good enough that you could live there. So on a very gross physical level human life is possible on Venus and equally on Mars where again the air pressure is supposed to be so low that you can't have clouds. On the other hand you have planet wide dust storms which lifts grains of soil dust into the air which completely cover every few years the whole surface of Mars. Isn't that more heavy than a cloud? So either the data they are giving you is selective or they are attempting to hide something which would provoke in your mind the reality that yes life is possible. And so there is a fear among many and there is an agenda to ensure that we do not recognize the validity of life on other planets or even that we could survive there. And then we can go under and that's the current narrative from NASA that if you go underground and there are large caves which are seen from satellite by the way, a hole and then inside you can see a huge cave structure and cave systems. If you go under, it's cool enough that we could just live there. So both on Mars and on Venus human life is possible and if it's possible obviously there has been a local evolution of plant forms and other life forms, without doubt.

Sraddhalu (0:50:43)
Yes, so then we come to this very extraordinary statement of Sri Aurobindo, where he says that human life on earth was earlier on Mars and from Mars having when Mars became well not livable, that the evolution is shifted to earth and so there is, he even suggests that over the billions of years that life forms may move across planets even. So these are extraordinary suggestions, they break our conventional boundaries of thinking, but we have to become conscious of what it would imply because the future of humanity not only technologically but socially is in this direction. As we grow to become more and more universal in consciousness, we will become worthy of engaging universally also in material exchange and in relating just as we have done not only with other cultures and civilizations on the earth but meeting with other cultures, civilizations and species across planets, across galaxies even. And this is part of our destiny for which we are greatly delayed. We should have been doing this by now, the delay is what has prevented and put earth in so much stress of near destruction but if we can wake up to this higher possibility of consciousness and change consciously all the rest will follow and is just waiting for us. It's part of the message which we often get from people who have had contact with beings from flying saucers that they say that we're just waiting for you to grow up and get out of this self-destructive mode and the need to conquer others and we can't allow your nuclear weapons to come into space and mess around with the stability of life around and that we have to do and soon.

Sraddhalu (0:52:51):
[Narad] Thank you, Sraddhalu, Namaste.
[Sraddhalu] Thank you.